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justin_o_guy2
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Reply #1 - 02/23/18 at 21:58:15
 
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Reply #2 - 02/24/18 at 03:46:00
 
Sadly
What else is new?

Reminds me of the scene in Tora Tora Tora.

Nevile Brand, "Sir I think we need to check this out."
Commander, "No we need confirmation."
Nevile Brand, "Umm Sir, I really think we need to check this out"
Commander, "No we need confirmation."

Later when the battle is in progress.

Commander, "Whats going on?!!!"
Nevile Brand, "Confirmation Sir!  Thars your confirmation!!! "
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Reply #3 - 02/24/18 at 05:29:06
 
That certainly did clarify the issue,


Feb. 5, 2016: A Broward Sheriff’s Office deputy is told by an anonymous caller that Nikolas Cruz, then 17, had threatened on Instagram to shoot up his school and posted a photo of himself with guns. The information is forwarded to BSO Deputy Scot Peterson, a school resource officer at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

▪ Sept. 23, 2016: A “peer counselor” reports to Peterson that Cruz had possibly ingested gasoline in a suicide attempt, was cutting himself and wanted to buy a gun. A mental health counselor advises against involuntary committing Cruz. The high school says it will conduct a threat assessment.

▪ Sept. 28, 2016: An investigator for the Florida Department of Children and Families rules Cruz is stable, despite “fresh cuts” on his arms. His mother, Lynda Cruz, says in the past he wrote “hate signs” on his book bag and had recently talked of buying firearms.

▪ Sept. 24, 2017: A YouTube user named “nikolas cruz” posts a comment stating he wants to become a “professional school shooter.” The comment is reported to the FBI in Mississippi, which fails to make the connection to Cruz in South Florida.

▪ Nov. 1, 2017: Katherine Blaine, Lynda Cruz’s cousin, calls BSO to report that Nikolas Cruz had weapons and asks that police recover them. A “close family friend” agrees to take the firearms, according to BSO.

▪ Nov. 29, 2017: The Palm Beach County family that took in Cruz after the death of his mother calls the Palm Beach Sheriff’s Office to report a fight between him and their son, 22. A member of the family says Cruz had threatened to “get his gun and come back” and that he has “put the gun to others’ heads in the past.” The family does not want him arrested once he calms down.

▪ Nov. 30, 2017: A caller from Massachusetts calls BSO to report that Cruz is collecting guns and knives and could be a “school shooter in the making.” A BSO deputy advises the caller to contact the Palm Beach sheriff.

▪ Jan. 5, 2018: A caller to the FBI’s tip line reports that Cruz has “a desire to kill people” and could potentially conduct a school shooting. The information is never passed on to the FBI’s office in Miami.

▪ Feb. 14, 2018: Nikolas Cruz attacks Stoneman Douglas High. Peterson, the school’s resource officer, draws his gun outside the building where Cruz is shooting students and staff. He does not enter.

I think plenty of
Confirmation
Existed before he killed.

The FBI was warned, cops had seen plenty
And yet,
It's
Guns

Why isn't it a Massive Law enforcement failure?
Why aren't people demanding that the
Authorities
be held
Responsible
for the clear and obvious
Failures?
The focus on the Gun is so intense that the obvious is being ignored.
Instead of
If he hadn't been able to get a gun
He couldn't have killed,
Why isn't it
If Just One person had acted on the information available
He wouldn't have been able to kill.???

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Reply #4 - 02/24/18 at 08:50:05
 
JOG, good Post.
But haven’t you been reading the, Troll ?

T And T Garage wrote on 02/24/18 at 06:55:18:
"... Bat$hit crazy won’t listen to reason.

So most certainly, you are NOT, ‘listening to reason’.

How dare you repeat, FACTS. !

Everyone KNOWS, it’s the NRA’s  Fault.
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #5 - 02/24/18 at 09:04:52
 

 Was there any legal grounds to hold him in any sort of confinement or take his personal property?

 From what I've read nobody pressed charges, and no psychologist or physician ordered a mental health evaluation.  They should have, but didn't therefore making committing him or taking his property against his rights until he actually commits a crime.
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Reply #6 - 02/24/18 at 09:21:51
 
Eegore wrote on 02/24/18 at 09:04:52:
  Was there any legal grounds to hold him in any sort of confinement or take his personal property?    From what I've read nobody pressed charges, and no psychologist or physician ordered a mental health evaluation.  They should have, but didn't therefore making committing him or taking his property against his rights until he actually commits a crime.


    Perhaps read, Post #2 again ?


Their is a great difference, between, (say), a Spouse, telling lies about a husband, just to get them in trouble.
And this Florida case.

In the, 'spouse', case telling lies just to, "committing him or taking his property",  in that case,  most  agencies hearing that would say:  'Sour Grapes". 
And, your above would be very, 'reasonable'.  

In the Florida case, I believe, Information, coming from several different sources, at different times, would require a,
"..."Umm Sir, I really think we need to check this out"..."
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #7 - 02/24/18 at 09:23:31
 
Eegore wrote on 02/24/18 at 09:04:52:
 Was there any legal grounds to hold him in any sort of confinement or take his personal property?

 From what I've read nobody pressed charges, and no psychologist or physician ordered a mental health evaluation.  They should have, but didn't therefore making committing him or taking his property against his rights until he actually commits a crime.

Pub's think they'll arrest him for thought crime...
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Ludicrous Speed !... ... Huh...
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Reply #8 - 02/24/18 at 09:26:30
 
Pub's think they'll arrest him for thought crime...

You mean like hate crimes?
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Reply #9 - 02/24/18 at 10:58:57
 
Seriously?
You can get pissed off at the nra and pretend their dollars run D.C., and here are statements made by people to the FBI, who
, BY THE WAY,
Admit that they FAILED, and you pretend I'm just looking at Brown vapors and calling it substantial.

Really,people, pay attention.
He posted THREATS.

He wanted to be a professional school shooter
And
Had a Way less than sterling history.
But let's ban guns,
That's what is going on here.
Lefties are so focused on the Gun, they
Will Not See how this event Should have been stopped in the weeks prior to it.
The FBI FAILED, and They Admit it.
Why can't you?
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Reply #10 - 02/24/18 at 11:17:00
 
Jog, here is facts;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/national/health-science/five-states-al...

But I believe it’s folly to believe you can get an honest exchange of dialogue here buddy.
Expecting to have those who just copy and paste talking points, and drive-by sniping, is like trying to have sex with your clothes on  Grin

Notice which party is pushing these laws even further....
Maybe they want to retract their snide, I doubt it  Wink
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Reply #11 - 02/24/18 at 11:54:40
 
I've used up my monthly allowance of free articles .
The FBI FAILED .
They admit it.
When threats are made, action needs to be taken. He had his guns taken by a relative, at one time. He was mollycoddled, instead of being held responsible for the outbursts. The FBI was told, at least twice, he was a dangerous guy.
If
See something
Say something
Can't be acted on
Why bother?
If the government says
The police will act.
But they won't
Then
WHOSE JOB IS IT to protect You?
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Reply #12 - 02/24/18 at 12:06:44
 
raydawg wrote on 02/24/18 at 09:26:30:
Pub's think they'll arrest him for thought crime...

You mean like hate crimes?

Hate crimes are crimes where the motivation punished...
Thought crimes are motivations where no crime has occurred.

You don't see the difference?...  Undecided
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Reply #13 - 02/24/18 at 12:12:17
 
His violent outbursts
Coupled with the
I want to be a professional school shooter online statement
The FBI ADMITTED they screwed up
And I feel alone in my position
This event Should have been
Kept from happening.

Maybe it's because so many people believe the Great Government is
Never to blame for a disaster.
It's GOTTA Be The GUN!
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Reply #14 - 02/24/18 at 13:04:10
 
Serowbot wrote on 02/24/18 at 12:06:44:
raydawg wrote on 02/24/18 at 09:26:30:
Pub's think they'll arrest him for thought crime...

You mean like hate crimes?

Hate crimes are crimes where the motivation punished...
Thought crimes are motivations where no crime has occurred.

You don't see the difference?...  Undecided


Hate crimes punishment is more severe because they portend to know the thought of the perpetrator.
So, in effect, it’s being charged with an additional crime, based on thought.
If I am wrong, how so?
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