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Reply #30 - 02/25/18 at 10:30:58
 
I believe there was ample legal room for taking action. That it wasn't doesn't prove there wasn't. Especially considering the Policy of ignoring criminal behavior in order to improve their statistics and gain federal dollars.
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Reply #31 - 02/26/18 at 08:20:59
 

 I missed the criminal behavior part that supplied ample cause for incarceration or involuntary psychiatric placement.

 Can someone point me to that action?
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Reply #32 - 02/26/18 at 09:38:48
 
raydawg wrote on 02/24/18 at 13:04:10:
Serowbot wrote on 02/24/18 at 12:06:44:
raydawg wrote on 02/24/18 at 09:26:30:
Pub's think they'll arrest him for thought crime...

You mean like hate crimes?

Hate crimes are crimes where the motivation punished...
Thought crimes are motivations where no crime has occurred.

You don't see the difference?...  Undecided


Hate crimes punishment is more severe because they portend to know the thought of the perpetrator.
So, in effect, it’s being charged with an additional crime, based on thought.
If I am wrong, how so?


Since Bot declines to answer, can anybody else point out why to me why my thinking, that “hate crime/legislation” is law based on perceived “thought”, using it, thought, as intent.

How can one prove, beyond the shadow of doubt, a person acted accordingly based on what you think, they thought, because the victim meets certain criteria to be protected beyond the normal scope of a exsisting law?

Anybody?
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Reply #33 - 02/26/18 at 11:11:25
 
The standard is
Reasonable doubt
Not
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Reply #34 - 02/26/18 at 13:19:56
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/26/18 at 11:11:25:
The standard is
Reasonable doubt
Not
Shadow


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Reply #35 - 02/26/18 at 13:36:26
 
Eegore wrote on 02/26/18 at 08:20:59:
 I missed the criminal behavior part that supplied ample cause for incarceration or involuntary psychiatric placement.

 Can someone point me to that action?


http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201684874.html
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Reply #36 - 02/26/18 at 20:11:32
 
 I read that article.  What part of it allows law enforcement to incarcerate him, or place him into psychiatric care?

 Nobody pressed charges - is it legal in FL to incarcerate someone for domestic dispute without anyone pressing charges?

 No physician or psychologist ordered an M-1 psych hold, can a medical center in FL detain an individual who is not being treated?
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Reply #37 - 02/26/18 at 20:58:54
 
The F.B.I. admitted they screwed up.
The cops didn't do anything.
The guy posted things that should have been enough.
He was evaluated by a shrink
WHILE SPORTING FRESH CUTS
After suicide talk.
You're RIGHT.
Nobody did anything.
And you are deeply in the circular logic of
Well, since nobody did anything
They
Must not have had a legal way to do it.

All
While
The school system policy of
Ignoring criminal behavior
To get more dollars
Is acknowledged.

Yeah, you're right.
Nobody did anything
And the F.B.I. admitted they FAILED
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Reply #38 - 02/27/18 at 16:02:11
 

 My point is that they didn't have a legal way to incarcerate him without violating his rights.

 We can complain, or cite some examples of more restrictive legal reform that would allow incarceration or at a minimum forced psychiatric care if we think a crime might happen instead of after.

 Those specifics can't come about if we ignore that there wasn't a legal way to get this guy off the streets.
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Reply #39 - 02/27/18 at 16:42:36
 
Eegore wrote on 02/27/18 at 16:02:11:
   My point is that they didn't have a legal way to incarcerate him without violating his rights.     We can complain, or cite some examples of more restrictive legal reform that would allow incarceration or at a minimum forced psychiatric care if we think a crime might happen instead of after.      Those specifics can't come about if we ignore that there wasn't a legal way to get this guy off the streets.

   That’s a ’Slippery Slope’.     Say it is, a law.

T&T, and  I are walking down the street,
he doesn’t like the hat I am wearing, because it is not the same as his.
So he flags down a Policeman, and tells him, I am  Crazy.
Policeman believes him, and I am hauled off.
Really  Ripe for Abuse !

Now a, teacher, tells a Policeman,
“so and so, threatened to shoot up the school’
Policeman believes the teacher , and  hauls off the student.
Saving, other students/teachers Lives.

One is good, one is not.

But before a, ’new’ law is created.
One must examine the Old law.
JOG was Perfect, in his assessment of:
‘Because, nothing was done.
          it does Not mean,
 something could not have been’


If, the people, listening to the, ‘charges’,
Wanted to, ‘charge’, they would have found something.
Yet it appears, that, No charges were ever asked, simply because,
the school, wanted a cleaner record, to receive more money.
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