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Reply #15 - 02/28/18 at 09:26:19

verslagen1 wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:06:37:

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 02/27/18 at 15:45:12:

verslagen1 wrote on 02/27/18 at 15:20:12:

So it wasn't possible for the nra to ask the govt to give delta a tax break either?

what?

sure, that's possible, but not necessary

here's how it works, as I've explained like 20 times already.

the NRA donates big time to the Republicans, the Republicans support the NRA (aka, are paid to support them). Delta "hurt" the NRA by no longer offering a discount that added value to NRA membership. the Republicans, wanting to support their big time donors (the NRA) and keep the money coming (aka, giving the NRA what they've paid for) retaliate against Delta reneging on a deal they had with Delta that had NOTHING to do with the NRA until now.

so the Republicans are retaliating based on Delta's POLITICAL action, nothing else. Republicans are trying to coerce Delta to act how they want them to instead of how Delta feels best.

Lets see who has more clout ($$$$) NRA with 14 million members (at $40 each) or Delta with $41 billion operating revenue... really?

Actually, there's only about 5 million nra members.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Something good from the shooting... Reply #16 - 02/28/18 at 09:33:04 T And T Garage wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:26:19: Actually, there's only about 5 million nra members. nobody knows (how?) I went with the higher estimate (could be associate members) But earnings vs membership is so overwhelming it doesn't matter... does it?
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Reply #17 - 02/28/18 at 09:44:05

verslagen1 wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:33:04:

T And T Garage wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:26:19:

Actually, there's only about 5 million nra members.

nobody knows (how?) I went with the higher estimate (could be associate members)
But earnings vs membership is so overwhelming it doesn't matter... does it?

I don't know. However, operative revenue is not earnings...

Further, the nra has this on its "About the nra" page:
But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly five million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs.

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Reply #18 - 02/28/18 at 10:26:23

T And T Garage wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:26:19:

verslagen1 wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:06:37:

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 02/27/18 at 15:45:12:

verslagen1 wrote on 02/27/18 at 15:20:12:

So it wasn't possible for the nra to ask the govt to give delta a tax break either?

what?

sure, that's possible, but not necessary

here's how it works, as I've explained like 20 times already.

the NRA donates big time to the Republicans, the Republicans support the NRA (aka, are paid to support them). Delta "hurt" the NRA by no longer offering a discount that added value to NRA membership. the Republicans, wanting to support their big time donors (the NRA) and keep the money coming (aka, giving the NRA what they've paid for) retaliate against Delta reneging on a deal they had with Delta that had NOTHING to do with the NRA until now.

so the Republicans are retaliating based on Delta's POLITICAL action, nothing else. Republicans are trying to coerce Delta to act how they want them to instead of how Delta feels best.

Lets see who has more clout ($$$$) NRA with 14 million members (at $40 each) or Delta with $41 billion operating revenue... really?

Actually, there's only about 5 million nra members.

seems like the NRA, by far, somehow.. I know, doesn't make sense, but I guess that's conservatism for ya

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Something good from the shooting... Reply #19 - 02/28/18 at 10:51:39 The laser focus on the NRA fails to acknowledge the huge number who share their ideology who aren't members. Politicians know what a flood of votes they will unleash if they start moving against the rights of the People.
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Re: Something good from the shooting...
Reply #20 - 02/28/18 at 12:34:17

T And T Garage wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:44:05:

verslagen1 wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:33:04:

T And T Garage wrote on 02/28/18 at 09:26:19:

Actually, there's only about 5 million nra members.

nobody knows (how?) I went with the higher estimate (could be associate members)
But earnings vs membership is so overwhelming it doesn't matter... does it?

I don't know. However, operative revenue is not earnings...

Further, the nra has this on its "About the nra" page:
But our successes would not be possible without the tireless efforts and countless hours of service our nearly five million members have given to champion Second Amendment rights and support NRA programs.

Huge overstatement of member numbers and dues paid vs factor of a 100 on company revenue and it's still not obvious.

Quote:

"Cagle's comments come as Delta, one of the Georgia's largest employers, appeared close to convincing lawmakers to restore a $50 million sales tax exemption on jet fuel. Headquartered in Atlanta, Delta would be the prime beneficiary of the tax cut.

lets see... 14 million times 40 = 560 million or 4 mil times 40 = 160 mil.
subtract 25% for the magazine and probably 50% for company expenses. that leaves 25% for graft.
Yep that's way over what delta could do just in free tickets.

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FormerlyLostArtist Ex Member	Re: Something good from the shooting... Reply #21 - 02/28/18 at 14:47:14 Vers... you still aren't changing any facts that the government (republican) is using it's political power to punish a private (non government) corporation because they made a political (free speech is a right too) move that the government (republican) didn't agree with
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Something good from the shooting... Reply #22 - 02/28/18 at 15:52:45 Rights are rights. That's not an exemption from a response. The baker had rights.
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FormerlyLostArtist Ex Member	Re: Something good from the shooting... Reply #23 - 02/28/18 at 16:14:41 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/28/18 at 15:52:45: Rights are rights. That's not an exemption from a response. The baker had rights. did you mean this for another thread or are you hijacking this one too?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Something good from the shooting... Reply #24 - 02/28/18 at 16:29:57 I'm pointing out other events that support my thinking.
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Re: Something good from the shooting...
Reply #25 - 02/28/18 at 16:33:15

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/28/18 at 15:52:45:

Rights are rights. That's not an exemption from a response.

The baker had rights.

The baker stood on his rights.
They weren't acknowledged.
That doesn't make them disappear,
But the baker suffered from a backlash
Because he did what he thought was right.
Just because you have a Right to do or say something, that doesn't insulate you from a backlash.

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Reply #26 - 03/01/18 at 09:38:25

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/28/18 at 16:33:15:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 02/28/18 at 15:52:45:

Rights are rights. That's not an exemption from a response.

The baker had rights.

The baker stood on his rights.
They weren't acknowledged.
That doesn't make them disappear,
But the baker suffered from a backlash
Because he did what he thought was right.
Just because you have a Right to do or say something, that doesn't insulate you from a backlash.

I"m going to just ignore the part about the baker, there is another thread about that.

so from this:

"Just because you have a Right to do or say something, that doesn't insulate you from a backlash. "

between individuals, private (non-government) corporations/companies sure

but this is the government, so, what's the point of the first amendment then?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, ...."

isn't this the government prohibiting the exercise of free speech?

Edit:
or at least punishing free speech, which wouldn't that be abridging it?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Something good from the shooting... Reply #27 - 03/01/18 at 09:47:44 Punishing free speech would abridge, I think. The thing is, what was the Privilege of being given tax breaks Predicated ON? I don't know. Might be seeing a court case that Delta wins. And good point.
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