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Reply #15 - 03/01/18 at 08:34:22

This explains the legal justification...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/opinion/gay-wedding-cake.html

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The problem with this retort is that “gay wedding cakes” are not a thing. Same-sex couples order their cakes from the same catalogs as everyone else, with the same options for size, shape, icing, filling, and so on. Although Phillips’s cakes are undeniably quite artistic, he did not reject a particular design option, such as a topper with two grooms — in which case, his First Amendment argument would be more compelling. Instead, he flatly told Craig and Mullins that he would not sell them a wedding cake.

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Trippah Serious Thumper Offline I ride, therefore I am. Posts: 2517 central Mass Gender:	Re: Baker Baker Reply #16 - 03/01/18 at 08:56:35 and yet Quakers are not required to tote a gun, though for the present, they can volunteer for non-fighting jobs in our all volunteer military...so some religious basis for some....
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Reply #17 - 03/01/18 at 09:00:10

Serowbot wrote on 03/01/18 at 08:34:22:

This explains the legal justification...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/27/opinion/gay-wedding-cake.html

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The problem with this retort is that “gay wedding cakes” are not a thing. Same-sex couples order their cakes from the same catalogs as everyone else, with the same options for size, shape, icing, filling, and so on. Although Phillips’s cakes are undeniably quite artistic, he did not reject a particular design option, such as a topper with two grooms — in which case, his First Amendment argument would be more compelling. Instead, he flatly told Craig and Mullins that he would not sell them a wedding cake.

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I was literally just going to post that same part from the article.

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Reply #18 - 03/01/18 at 09:02:37

Trippah wrote on 03/01/18 at 08:56:35:

and yet Quakers are not required to tote a gun, though for the present, they can volunteer for non-fighting jobs in our all volunteer military...so some religious basis for some.... Cheesy

Don't the military allow the same for conscientious objectors on a non-religious ground?...

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A conscientious objector is an "individual who has claimed the right to refuse to perform military service" on the grounds of freedom of thought, conscience, or religion.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Baker Baker Reply #19 - 03/01/18 at 09:54:34 One more time Being forced to Do what is in conflict with your Conscience Is wrong.
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Reply #20 - 03/01/18 at 10:10:54

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/01/18 at 09:54:34:

One more time

Being forced to Do what is in conflict with your
Conscience
Is wrong.

well, he has options

1. quit offering wedding cakes, he doesn't offer halloween or "demon" themed cakes to anyone, just quit offering wedding cakes

2. make his bakery private, or even only offer wedding cakes to those who belong to a private club within the bakery

I"m sure there are other ways too.

there are ways around the state’s public accommodations law if he really wanted to go that route, if he thinks his conscience is that important to him.

is it the gay couples fault that he apparently didn't understand the law before he started business?

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29690 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Baker Baker Reply #21 - 03/01/18 at 10:21:01 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/01/18 at 09:54:34: One more time Being forced to Do what is in conflict with your Conscience Is wrong. Are you OK with an EMT refusing to transport you because you're a Trump supporter?...
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Baker Baker Reply #22 - 03/01/18 at 10:25:27 For all I know he was there before the law changes. IMO, it's His business. If his behavior runs the customers off, he will fail. That's what property rights do.
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FormerlyLostArtist Ex Member	Re: Baker Baker Reply #23 - 03/01/18 at 10:27:01 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/01/18 at 10:25:27: For all I know he was there before the law changes. IMO, it's His business. If his behavior runs the customers off, he will fail. That's what property rights do. it's still his duty to understand the law and how it affects his business
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Reply #24 - 03/01/18 at 10:40:38

Can we look at the other side of it for a moment. Why did the couple who wanted the Cake raise such a stink about it when they didn't get it? If that had been me than I would have just said oh rats thanks for your time and went to a shop who would make a cake for me. If the couple thought that the shop didn't deserve their business they should have went to another shop and not raised such a fuss about it. The whole Court thing seems over-the-top and causing too much harm over something as stupid as a little cake.

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Reply #25 - 03/01/18 at 10:50:25

JOEL2014 wrote on 03/01/18 at 10:40:38:

Can we look at the other side of it for a moment. Why did the couple who wanted the Cake raise such a stink about it when they didn't get it? If that had been me than I would have just said oh rats thanks for your time and went to a shop who would make a cake for me. If the couple thought that the shop didn't deserve their business they should have went to another shop and not raised such a fuss about it. The whole Court thing seems over-the-top and causing too much harm over something as stupid as a little cake.

I totally get your point - and honestly, if that was me on the receiving end of a jerk-of-a-baker, I'd just walk out and spread the word that he's an idiot.

However, back to my original reaction - "Where do you draw the line? Discrimination is just discrimination - it knows no bounds."

I'm certain there are nuances that we aren't seeing in this case, but this is a slippery slope. I think it's good that it's being addressed.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Baker Baker Reply #26 - 03/01/18 at 10:50:57 There you go.. Why cause a stink? I would never want a product from someone who had a problem with me.
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Reply #27 - 03/01/18 at 10:57:54

JOEL2014 wrote on 03/01/18 at 10:40:38:

Can we look at the other side of it for a moment. Why did the couple who wanted the Cake raise such a stink about it when they didn't get it? If that had been me than I would have just said oh rats thanks for your time and went to a shop who would make a cake for me. If the couple thought that the shop didn't deserve their business they should have went to another shop and not raised such a fuss about it. The whole Court thing seems over-the-top and causing too much harm over something as stupid as a little cake.

sure, that's mostly fair.

this bakery, though, did have a history of discrimination, aka breaking the law

and apparently, neither the bakery nor the couple think the cake is "little" both think it's highly symbolic and an important centerpiece to the wedding

but yeah, they are probably activists fighting against discrimination of LBGQT people

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Reply #28 - 03/01/18 at 11:28:09

Serowbot wrote on 03/01/18 at 10:21:01:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/01/18 at 09:54:34:

One more time

Being forced to Do what is in conflict with your
Conscience
Is wrong.

Are you OK with an EMT refusing to transport you because you're a Trump supporter?...

Seriously?
The matters of Conscience I'm talking about refer to biblical principles, not political affiliation.

Are you suggesting that the left so despises Trump supporters that they would see them Die rather than help them?
Sure looks like it.

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Re: Baker Baker
Reply #29 - 03/01/18 at 11:43:31

T And T Garage wrote on 03/01/18 at 05:56:58:

I see that bat$hit crazy people just don't get it... No surprise.

I do, ‘get it’.
I get, that, YOU,
do NOT want ANYONE,
to have a Choice,
unless it is Also, YOUR Choice.

And if, YOU, buy a 7.00 cup of coffee, with a ’smiley face’.
and I buy 7.00 worth of grounds, to make 150 cups of coffee.
“I Get It”, YOU, then say, “Bat $hit Crazy”.
And expound on how much BETTER, YOUR, cup of coffee is.

(And of course, YOU can NOT respond to Anything,
unless YOU are TOLD to)

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