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Re: Is it time?
Reply #15 - 03/04/18 at 11:39:45
 
JOEL - would you run at a shooter armed with a AR-15 or AK-47 spitting out a steady stream of bullets armed with a taser - gee can I get close enough before a bunch of bullets hit me?  If you would, you are much braver than me; I ducked and went for cover every time someone shot at me.
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Reply #16 - 03/04/18 at 12:15:28
 
raydawg wrote on 03/04/18 at 10:29:20:
Armchair heroes, like Trump, are not in the real world. Facing a barrage of bullets is...

Fair enuff, then admit a sign announcing a gun free zone has about the same effect as Trump.


Gun Free Zone signs aren't there for criminals.... (neither are traffic lights, or no littering signs)
They are there to prevent law abiding gun toters from entering places where accidental discharges could do great harm or a curious child might touch them.  
They are also there so that a legal carry citizen won't be mistaken for a "shooter"...
Many people just aren't comfortable with them being around... and I know, "It's their right",... but it's also their right not to go to theses places.
Police don't want to enter a school where there are 15 people running around the halls with guns... creating confusion in the search for the real shooter.  They see a gun, you're going down.  You're in a Gun Free Zone...
Guns just don't belong around children in public places.


For anybody that thinks guns are protected by the Constitution,... your "well regulated militia" duties aren't needed in a school or crowded public place.  
There ain't gonna' be a sinister government overthrow happening there, or an attack by invaders, or whatever you think.
So your right isn't protected there...
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Reply #17 - 03/04/18 at 13:13:25
 
Without responding in detail, point by point, I will just offer my final thought.
I think the gun free zone is more symbolic than it is as a deterrent, or a tool for law enforcement, or those uncomfortable with the fact others carry.
Life has no guarantees, nor should it, as that would reduce society to such a captiviness, it might resemble a prison, instead of a freedom.

On the same vein of reasoning, I would also suggest the right to bear arms as assurances against a tyrantical government, is symbolic as well.
To believe in this day and age a “coup” standing against our formed democracy, based on the arming of limited firepower, is silly....
Therefore the only thing it really represents is a symbolic gesture.

Also, so many other implements of destruction exsist nowadays, biological attacks having much more damaging capacity than a rapid firing gun powered driven tool.

If we as a society believe gun control is a fix to our ills, that too is mistaken.
I would venture to suggest our real threat come from the lack of respect, and understanding, of what it means to grant freedom of speech, as a right, unfettered, to all.
You constrain or abridge that, then expect, rightly so, fallout.
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Reply #18 - 03/04/18 at 13:19:32
 
raydawg wrote on 03/04/18 at 13:13:25:
On the same vein of reasoning, I would also suggest the right to bear arms as assurances against a tyrantical government, is symbolic as well.
To believe in this day and age a “coup” standing against our formed democracy, based on the arming of limited firepower, is silly....
Therefore the only thing it really represents is a symbolic gesture.


I agree...
The question then is,... are all these deaths worth it.
How many is too many to die for a symbolic gesture?...
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Reply #19 - 03/04/18 at 14:01:28
 
No, of course not.
But keep in mind, and this is crucial to beginning to debate such a challenge to the constitution.....
The foundation upon which it rest, can not be readily dismissed.
What it “represents” is more than a “instrument”.

We must always stand guard against a “power” overseeing its own welfare.
I think history is chalk full of examples, and death counted in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

We must keep that fact as manifest, and find a solution that can accomplish that, without compromising it.

That is why I believe using emotions to generate interest, is a bad way to go about finding a solution.....
Not to even mention how politicians try to use it to their own benefit, capitalizing on the misfortunes of others.
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Re: Is it time?
Reply #20 - 03/05/18 at 13:07:56
 
Serowbot wrote on 03/04/18 at 09:29:51:
"... Let's look at it reasonably. ..."


“… most teachers will have minimal training and little enthusiasm for guns…”

 Wonder what a, ’Snowflake Fairy Dust Sprinkler would say,
                         if someone else said:
Most Gay Males  could not get out of a wet paper bag.
Most Lesbian Females, are overweight, do not shave, (and are like Pat in SNL)

    (Which as JOG said,  “It’s okay to do … as long as lefties approve”)

Perhaps, ‘more than average’,  teachers, in a very urban setting,
           would have little enthusiasm for guns.
Yet, ‘Most’ teachers, in a  Rural setting,
     would have, a high level of  enthusiasm for guns.

     “… teacher will be caught off guard…”
Is that like one person driving a  MC,
Slams into the side of a car that pulled out.
   And another person did Not ?
Could it have something to do with;
  one is aware of his/her surroundings, and one is not?

Giving a ‘reason’, that, ‘Guns’ are Bad, and certain ones should be  banned,
      (because of a, completely, prejudicial, attitude,
     that a ’teacher’, can not do something)

           Is NOT, a  real Reason.

“…a pistol I’ve had locked away in a drawer for 6 months…”
Well I am guessing, you have  NO  Locks on your front door.
And a  Sign in your front yard, saying:
   “Gun in this house, is  LOCKED up”
Suggestion,  Publish, your address.
Then, ANYBODY, at Anytime, can come and do, Anything.
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: Is it time?
Reply #21 - 03/05/18 at 13:27:51
 
Trippah wrote on 03/03/18 at 19:31:16:

MnSpring's response" Move if you don't like it"
is the stereotypical response of the mindless NRA robots..."

When someone is  CONSTANTLY,
PI$$ING and  MOANING,

About how this Nation is so bad, Because of,
 Health Care/Guns/Poverty/Gay Rights/etc/etc/etc.
And another Nation is  SO  MUCH  BETTER.

It is, NOT, “…the mindless NRA robots…”

 It is,  ME,   stating my Opinion.
 Which simply is, “Get on the Bus, or stand in the street and  CRY”

As to the rest.
  My opinion is,
     Mindless   Ultra-Liberal  Robots,
        parroting what they are told to say.
With No, thinking it out.
    Just KEEP,  Pushing the Pendulum as FAR  Left as you can.



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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: Is it time?
Reply #22 - 03/05/18 at 13:28:02
 
Serowbot wrote on 03/04/18 at 12:15:28:
raydawg wrote on 03/04/18 at 10:29:20:
Armchair heroes, like Trump, are not in the real world. Facing a barrage of bullets is...

Fair enuff, then admit a sign announcing a gun free zone has about the same effect as Trump.


Gun Free Zone signs aren't there for criminals.... (neither are traffic lights, or no littering signs)
They are there to prevent law abiding gun toters from entering places where accidental discharges could do great harm or a curious child might touch them.  
They are also there so that a legal carry citizen won't be mistaken for a "shooter"...
Many people just aren't comfortable with them being around... and I know, "It's their right",... but it's also their right not to go to theses places.
Police don't want to enter a school where there are 15 people running around the halls with guns... creating confusion in the search for the real shooter.  They see a gun, you're going down.  You're in a Gun Free Zone...
Guns just don't belong around children in public places.


For anybody that thinks guns are protected by the Constitution,... your "well regulated militia" duties aren't needed in a school or crowded public place.  
There ain't gonna' be a sinister government overthrow happening there, or an attack by invaders, or whatever you think.
So your right isn't protected there...



Great! Now you have quoted a part of the Second Amendment.
The RIGHT of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Now, either you believe that the founders created an amendment that conflicts with itself, or, you're forced to acknowledge that the Right to carry for self defense isn't up for argument.

Which is it?
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Re: Is it time?
Reply #23 - 03/05/18 at 13:29:38
 
protected by the Constitution,... your "well regulated militia" duties aren't needed in a school or crowded public place.  

Really?
Then why do the places where armed people are illegal keep getting shot up?
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