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This should scare you......
03/05/18 at 20:58:50
 
Think for one moment, honestly, the arguments advanced why we need to do this.
Can you imagine if the Chinese would have seen, used, gunpowder, to conquer the world, instead of making fireworks, how things might be different today.

Thought police brought to full fruition......justified.
It will make Hitler seem like a 5 year old boy was only playing army man.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/the-danger-of-using-data-to-prevent-c...
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Reply #1 - 03/06/18 at 07:57:34
 
Everyone knows in this day and age that nothing said on social media is private.
Don't you think that for NC to say he's gonna shoot up a school on whatever forum that it was a cry for help?

But true evil like the las vegas guy will push thought crimes to fruition.
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Reply #2 - 03/06/18 at 08:30:04
 
verslagen1 wrote on 03/06/18 at 07:57:34:
Everyone knows in this day and age that nothing said on social media is private.
Don't you think that for NC to say he's gonna shoot up a school on whatever forum that it was a cry for help?

But true evil like the las vegas guy will push thought crimes to fruition.


Versy, I distinctly remember my first thought when I saw 911, and the reports of what it was.....
That our separation of powers would be forevermore under attack, from within

Granted such power, mortal man, lacks the moral convictions, to not use it to his OWN personal gain.

Biblical speaking, it explains why God, and the power He is rumored to hold, can not use it to His own desires.
It, in effect, would deny who he is......  
By removing the one element found only in mankind, a free will.

We have seen the effect of power, and what happens when people surrender to it.
It consumes every perceived threat in its path.

Do you understand the nature of co-dependency?
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Reply #3 - 03/06/18 at 08:49:54
 
Yeah, because the US is exactly like China... oh, wait...

C'mon ray - equating what amounts to intelligence gathering to being worse than hitler?  Please....  Would you rather that law enforcement not use data to perform their duties?

How many copies of the conservative playbook do you own? LOL

Chicken Little's got nothing on you.
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raydawg wrote on 03/06/18 at 08:30:04:
Versy, I distinctly remember my first thought when I saw 911, and the reports of what it was.....
That our separation of powers would be forevermore under attack, from within

Granted such power, mortal man, lacks the moral convictions, to not use it to his OWN personal gain.

Biblical speaking, it explains why God, and the power He is rumored to hold, can not use it to His own desires.
It, in effect, would deny who he is......  
By removing the one element found only in mankind, a free will.

We have seen the effect of power, and what happens when people surrender to it.
It consumes every perceived threat in its path.

Do you understand the nature of co-dependency?


Huh

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Reply #5 - 03/06/18 at 09:19:25
 
T/T everyone knows why you reply and it's not because you have anything to add.
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verslagen1 wrote on 03/06/18 at 09:19:25:
T/T everyone knows why you reply and it's not because you have anything to add.


Well vers - look at the post and the article.  Then, look at the follow up.

There is nothing to add...

Do you honestly believe that this isn't a scare tactic post?

Do you think that it's worse than hitler?

Sorry, I call it like I see it.  

More people should.
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Reply #7 - 03/06/18 at 14:05:36
 
The neat thing about science fiction is it explores our near and sometimes future, as well as possible pasts.  The amount of information collected on all of us is astounding, sorting out the useful from the chaff is the trick.  And yes, it might someday lead to the preemptive legal system.  We already can "legally" take moneys and property from people we "know" are criminals without bothering to take them to court.

But as noted in the article, the algorithms are not yet perfect predictors: watch the weather programs as they plot the 5-10 storms tracks predicted for a hurricane.  Since I probably only have a decade - 15 years left, I will probably escape such a Brave New World - but as governments and businesses compete with each other for power, I not all that sure we are safe.
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Reply #8 - 03/06/18 at 14:06:37
 
verslagen1 wrote on 03/06/18 at 09:19:25:
T/T everyone knows why you reply and it's not because you have anything to add.


Just on plain old simple logic, reasoning, Versy.....
Do you think a fool, knows he is foolish?


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Reply #9 - 03/06/18 at 14:13:42
 
Trippah wrote on 03/06/18 at 14:05:36:
The neat thing about science fiction is it explores our near and sometimes future, as well as possible pasts.  The amount of information collected on all of us is astounding, sorting out the useful from the chaff is the trick.  And yes, it might someday lead to the preemptive legal system.  We already can "legally" take moneys and property from people we "know" are criminals without bothering to take them to court.

But as noted in the article, the algorithms are not yet perfect predictors: watch the weather programs as they plot the 5-10 storms tracks predicted for a hurricane.  Since I probably only have a decade - 15 years left, I will probably escape such a Brave New World - but as governments and businesses compete with each other for power, I not all that sure we are safe.


Well put Trippah.  +1

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Reply #10 - 03/06/18 at 14:14:25
 
raydawg wrote on 03/06/18 at 14:06:37:
verslagen1 wrote on 03/06/18 at 09:19:25:
T/T everyone knows why you reply and it's not because you have anything to add.


Just on plain old simple logic, reasoning, Versy.....
Do you think a fool, knows he is foolish?


Just look in the mirror ray.
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Reply #11 - 03/06/18 at 19:59:42
 
We already can "legally" take moneys and property from people we "know" are criminals without bothering to take them to court.

When they sold that to us it was gonna be dangerous people.
The people who have been screwed out of their rightful property without due process changed my mind. I was wrong to support it. There's a Reason for the
Innocent until Proven guilty
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Just because it's happening and government does it doesn't make it okay
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Reply #12 - 03/06/18 at 20:35:38
 
Trippah wrote on 03/06/18 at 14:05:36:
The neat thing about science fiction is it explores our near and sometimes future, as well as possible pasts.  The amount of information collected on all of us is astounding, sorting out the useful from the chaff is the trick.  And yes, it might someday lead to the preemptive legal system.  We already can "legally" take moneys and property from people we "know" are criminals without bothering to take them to court.

But as noted in the article, the algorithms are not yet perfect predictors: watch the weather programs as they plot the 5-10 storms tracks predicted for a hurricane.  Since I probably only have a decade - 15 years left, I will probably escape such a Brave New World - but as governments and businesses compete with each other for power, I not all that sure we are safe.


I think the key point/observation is this, compete.
Why is that even a concern?
I agree, business should rise and fall on its own merit.
When the government decided some businesses are “too big”
To allow to fail, we crossed a line.
I am most sure that line has been tipped toed on for years, with Lobbist, etc.
But now, for government to use self appointed power to compete, Yeah, its a ill wind that blows.
The net result will be a government that supplies/oversees, All our welfare....
I can think of a few programs that have had pretty dismal results, with that as their goal.
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Reply #13 - 03/07/18 at 05:47:54
 
I really thought that the Too Big To Fail was THE DEFINITION of a monopoly, which all businesses strive to attain and government is supposed to restrain.  The beauty of our government is that the three branches should always be keeping each other in check, so that the judiciary doesn't get too big for their pants, that the Pres doesn't become a dictator etc.
Just as unemployment support shouldn't last generations in the form of welfare.  The truth of life is, things change and you have to move on.  (On a savage is a cool way to do it). Cool

In some countries, the "church" moderate government but as our forefathers saw all so clearly, that doesn't always work out so well.
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Reply #14 - 03/07/18 at 07:29:00
 
I am totally with you.....

The 3 branches is paramount to separation, however, we see how the executive have used the judicial to circumvent the one real branch that folks have the most representation in.

I believe what was meant to be used only in  matter of emergency, has become a tool to be used for party rule power.
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