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Reply #15 - 03/14/18 at 10:38:37

C'mon, it's broken. Let's Try something new. We've never tried Bamicare.

That was a mistake.

WE Actually Had the right to allow teachers to defend their students.
SOMEHOW, gee, nobody seems to remember how, but somehow, legislation was passed that made it Illegal to have a gun near the schools. The geniuses who did that must not have realized that
People who are planning to MURDER people and want to kill a Buncha People, just Might Not Givashitt about a law that prohibits guns in schools. Shocking, innit?

Now, let's change That law.
Teachers are lining UP for training.
That's right, teachers are embracing the idea of not being unable to defend themselves and the kids.
Let's give THAT a try.
And
Let's go Back to real discipline in schools.
Let's Get Rid of the Program that protects them from consequences for arrestable offenses.
And stop labeling boys who are bored by classroom stuff as Broken and in need of drugs. It's unnatural to expect a kid who wants to be out exploring the world and playing with others to be happy in a classroom.
Offer them something they are interested in.
The idea of what school IS needs to change.
The notion that everyone should be educated in the same way is as ridiculous as everyone should have the same job.

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Reply #16 - 03/14/18 at 10:46:57

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/14/18 at 10:38:37:

C'mon, it's broken. Let's Try something new. We've never tried Bamicare.

That was a mistake.

WE Actually Had the right to allow teachers to defend their students.
SOMEHOW, gee, nobody seems to remember how, but somehow, legislation was passed that made it Illegal to have a gun near the schools. The geniuses who did that must not have realized that
People who are planning to MURDER people and want to kill a Buncha People, just Might Not Givashitt about a law that prohibits guns in schools. Shocking, innit?

Now, let's change That law.
Teachers are lining UP for training.
That's right, teachers are embracing the idea of not being unable to defend themselves and the kids.
Let's give THAT a try.
And
Let's go Back to real discipline in schools.
Let's Get Rid of the Program that protects them from consequences for arrestable offenses.
And stop labeling boys who are bored by classroom stuff as Broken and in need of drugs. It's unnatural to expect a kid who wants to be out exploring the world and playing with others to be happy in a classroom.
Offer them something they are interested in.
The idea of what school IS needs to change.
The notion that everyone should be educated in the same way is as ridiculous as everyone should have the same job.

Very, WELL Said !

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Reply #17 - 03/14/18 at 10:52:35

Jog, it’s our schools......

I could no further fathom going to school way back when knowing I was “safe” because my teacher was packing.
It’s ludicrous and just wrong.
Our children should never be put into such a position, never.

Going after the “gun” is just as stupid, it’s not the gun.

It’s a sickness in our society, an illness.
If it was contagious, it would be treated with utmost concern.

Thinking you can contain it by making guns less available is like believing we can stop drug use by taking away needles.

Guns in school, as a deterrent, sorry, it’s purely a false hope, much like a physical wall on the border to address illegal immigration...

Symbolic at best.

Btw, the rest of your post brings up great points, etc, re: school curriculum

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Reply #18 - 03/14/18 at 11:02:38

Armed teachers, bad.
But call cops. Good.
I'm confused.
If men with guns are supposed to come save the ones Not already dead, why not just have CC teachers?
How many maniacs will choose to go try to shoot people when those signs are replaced by signs saying

Our staff are trained and armed.
???

When schools aren't soft targets, things will change.

That's when we will see maniacs shooting up malls.

They, like other criminals, will go to the easiest targets.

Who did the bullies at school pick on?
The lineman on the football team?
Be logical.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Reply #19 - 03/14/18 at 11:24:36 Jog, you are using logic to define, extend, to crazyiness. I don’t think you can, but the classroom.... What it represents to our society and the young minds. It’s like 911 won its desired effect
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Reply #20 - 03/14/18 at 13:36:22

What you're not getting is
The law that makes it illegal for teachers to carry isn't ancient.
It was a Failed Attempt to make schools safer.
America laid down to a bad idea that Sounded Good.
We went the wrong way.
If your house got robbed would you plant a sign in the yard
No Gun, no alarms?

Why would we choose to Not protect our children with the same force we protect our elected officials?
It's protect with force
Or fortress.
What we are Doing is NOT WORKING.
What you call crazy isn't.
It's rational.
It's not rational to expect MURDERERS to be dissuaded by a sign.
If guns in the hands of a good guy
Aren't the answer
Then don't call cops.
Because they will only add guns to the equation.
Never mind that the Other guns are in the hands of Bad guys.

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Reply #21 - 03/14/18 at 14:36:36

WebsterMark wrote on 03/14/18 at 09:46:24:

Did we stop at 100 motorcycle accidents? Did we stop when the astronauts died on the pad, Apollo 13, Challenger? You made decisions, move forward and evaluate. Isn't it trie that if that teacher had a gun, this could have been differe?

no one died on Apollo 13, but I guess, we don't blame an idiot for his one mistake right?

"Tossing out this idea because of one failure is silly."

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Reply #22 - 03/14/18 at 14:43:40

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/14/18 at 09:48:48:

Dude, seriously, look at the death and destruction caused by doctors. Cars. So many things are dangerous. Guns are too. Idiots with a gun are scary. I absolutely would not go out with my friends to pop Jack rabbits if a certain guy went,,
You're hyperventilating over guns, and the cops ACCIDENTALLY shoot bystanders, but you don't call to disarm THEM. Why not?
You demand perfection in firearms, right?
How many people save themselves or others because they are armed?
Why not just turn your guns in?
You know, before you hurt or kill someone.

why would you ever go out to "pop" Jack Rabbits??? I mean I guess you hunt rabbits... idk, whatever floats your boat I guess, but phrasing it that way kind of sounds like you're going out to shoot rats at the local landfill/trash heap, just for kicks... with that in mind it sounds like you might want to get evaluated to see if you have an issue or something, a telling sign of mental problems is someone who is intentionally cruel to animals.. but if you meant hunting rabbits, that's a different thing, please clarify so I know what kind of person I'm actually debating here.

and we do call on Cops to get proper training, and more training when they to "accidentally" shoot someone, they are disciplined or fired and if needed STRUCTURAL changes are made to their training and how they get to have a weapon.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9914	Re: Armed Teacher Injures Students Reply #23 - 03/14/18 at 15:06:48 I kill rodents for fun. Grew up in a community that does it. I have passed many psych evals for my work assignments. None indicate I'm sociopathic or psychopathic, certainly none said I "have an issue or something" Just sayin'
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Reply #24 - 03/14/18 at 15:08:15

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 03/14/18 at 14:43:40:

" ... we do call on Cops to get proper training, and more training when they to "accidentally" shoot someone, they are disciplined or fired ..."

Well I know of one police officer,
Who had his, Tuition, PAID for,
And, received, 20.00 per HOUR, for going to class.
And was, ‘Fast Tracked’, through the education.
And had 3 offenses, in 1.5 years of duty.
(Most Cops go 20 years with 1 or 0)

And is sitting at home,
(Probably sitting on the porch drinking Mint Juleps)
With FULL PAY, for the last 9 Months.
For Shooting, a UN-Armed Woman
In Pajamas
From the Passenger seat,
In Cold Blood

Oh, Lost,
How's those, answers coming ?
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1520993304/20#20

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Reply #25 - 03/14/18 at 15:11:21

Who has a college degree, every time?
Teachers
So am I Really supposed to believe they are too stupid to be trained to do what rednecks teach their kids to do?

Cops have no great marksmanship abilities.

Some do, some don't, but don't get comfortable because the target the cop is aiming for is twenty feet away from you.

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Reply #26 - 03/14/18 at 15:15:49

To be fair we can't actually use flat numbers in this argument - there's way more Police out there with firearms than teachers, and the teachers won't be actively pursuing crime.

Bottom line is if we add more firearms to any environment there will be more firearm related hazards. Historically that's been proven but who knows, maybe this will be different.

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Reply #27 - 03/14/18 at 15:18:19

Eegore wrote on 03/14/18 at 15:15:49:

To be fair we can't actually use flat numbers in this argument - there's way more Police out there with firearms than teachers, and the teachers won't be actively pursuing crime.

Bottom line is if we add more firearms to any environment there will be more firearm related hazards. Historically that's been proven but who knows, maybe this will be different.

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Reply #28 - 03/14/18 at 15:24:53

Actually, when guns were allowed, carjacking stopped.
And the tourism industry was being crippled in Florida by holdups.
Rental car companies stopped putting decals on that showed it was rented.
Florida told visitors to hide maps, cameras, binoculars, luggage,
But,
Until they made it legal for tourists to shoot back, it stayed bad.

And I guess everyone who proclaimed how there would be blood in the streets when they passed laws to allow cc in places where they sell alcohol.
I know, signs by owners saying no guns, I know,, but the disaster that was told us was coming
Didn't
Again

And let's not forget
Guns in the schools
Will deter shooters.
Look at where guns ARE in schools.

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Reply #29 - 03/14/18 at 20:30:57

I agree that looking at statistics where firearms are allowed in schools/colleges is a good place to make a point. I do not think that ignoring statistics that show that firearm related injuries are more prevalent where there are more firearms helps convince anyone that it isn't happening.

When I assembled a presentation to the school board where I live we did not ignore the risk factors or try to divert or skew the data by pulling up information about non-related subjects as the Board was interested in their community and their school. They aren't interested in carjacking stats.

We had to say that yes, firearm related deaths and injuries are more likely with the introduction of more firearms in order to move onto other parts of the issue. If we played our statistics against theirs we would go on forever exchanging facts.

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