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Reply #15 - 03/15/18 at 21:30:33
 
Really?
Slaves?
Ffs.
And the TOPIC WAS???
A fukkin rifle.
Jesus give me a break/
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Reply #16 - 03/15/18 at 21:40:29
 
C’mon Jog, you know the context of comparison, no need to get bent because yes, slavery is a extreme example, but nonetheless, a true contextual fact.
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Reply #17 - 03/16/18 at 03:42:57
 

"How about having these assault rifles use, and possession, maintained by the range owners, where you can still enjoy the fun of the sport, but the weapon can not leave the premises, strictly pay to play....
Tell me, why that couldn’t work?"


 Private land.  I actually don't use a range very often.  

 Hunting.

 It may increase safety, given that the purchase of the firearm is done at a range and that law enforcement are on-site to keep people from placing their firearm into their vehicle. A whole system would have to be in place to make sure people can not remove the weapons.

 Also its pretty easy to buy one on the street.  Removal of private weapons would take decades I can imagine.  Unless calculated use of force against US citizens is an option on the table.

 How is the justification of self serving fun applied to this?
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Reply #18 - 03/16/18 at 03:44:08
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 03/15/18 at 21:30:33:
Really?
Slaves?
Ffs.
And the TOPIC WAS???
A fukkin rifle.
Jesus give me a break/



 I also said baboons.  We used to be able to own those too.
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Reply #19 - 03/16/18 at 06:03:21
 
The 2nd amendment has a very specific intent by the way so keep that in mind. You can't just pass laws at random and remove a constitutional right.

Also, semi autos have been around for hundred years but only recently have become a problem which means something else has changed. Let's say we find positive evidence violent video hames are the common link between all shooters. Do you ban all games with violence? Movies, books, TV shows?
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Reply #20 - 03/16/18 at 07:23:07
 
Raw Dawg, that is the sort of thing I was thinking of when I mentioned the well regulated militia and keeping the assault weapons at a national guard armory; having a civilian range and guard range together is not too bad an idea.  Wink
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Reply #21 - 03/16/18 at 07:32:39
 
Eegore - it has taken decades to fill the landscape with semis, so what if it takes 1 or 2 decades to remove them.  You should not have to use a semi for hunting (unless you are as bad a shot as I have become)(which is why I wont go hunting again until I improve, which now in my 70's I sort of doubt will happen)..  Again, endlessly, the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia.

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Reply #22 - 03/16/18 at 07:33:51
 
Gun supporters always minimise this part... "well regulated militia"...
An armed citizenry was intended to avoid the need for a professional military.
A different equation today,
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Reply #23 - 03/16/18 at 08:07:37
 
Serowbot wrote on 03/16/18 at 07:33:51:
Gun supporters always minimise this part... "well regulated militia"...
An armed citizenry was intended to avoid the need for a professional military.
A different equation today,



Wrong Bot... that's the only part that's subject to interpretation....   Roll Eyes
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Reply #24 - 03/16/18 at 08:17:22
 
That's not entirely correct Sew and the difference is significant.

The only purpose for the 2nd Amendment is so the citizenry of the US could stand against their own oppressive government should it turn against them the way England had just done. The colonies had no professional military because it wasn't allowed to. Those who fought in the Revolutionary War used their own weapons for the most part, certainly in the beginning, and they were roughly equal to what the British soldiers had.

Here's the critical point. Look at some nations today and in the recent past who oppress their citizens. Look at the left leaning regimes first. Nazi Germany, Communist China, Vietnam and modern day North Korea. Now look at right leading mostly theocracies, Saudi Arabia is perfect example. They controll the military and all weapons.

The US could never turn into North Korea or Saudi Arriba. If our government turned strongly left or right and began the extreme persecutions we see in these nations, we have the ability to fight back.

And if you don’t think a citizenry armed with civilian weapons can turn back government troops, I’d ask you to recall Afghanistan repealed both the Soviet Union and the US.  In fact, our original Revolution was another example.

This is why we have a 2nd Amendment. For all our faults, it would be very, very difficult for our government to turn us into North Korea. We’d fight back.

Yes, it's difficult. Yes, there are abuses. But look at our freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable searches. These freedoms come at a much higher cost than the 2nd Amendment and we would never consider yielding those. Actually, we are heading down a dangerous road by allowing Twitter and Facebook to determine what is hate speech but that's another topic.

It's hard to be an American. It will be even harder in the future because the appeal to give up freedoms for what we think is peace and security will become even stronger. We need to resist that urge.
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Reply #25 - 03/16/18 at 08:19:55
 
Quote:
mi·li·tia
məˈliSHə/Submit
noun
a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities, typically in opposition to a regular army.
all able-bodied civilians eligible by law for military service.


If a herd of graboids start gobbling up your neighbors, are you going to:
1. call the sheriff and patiently wait to be gobbled up?
2. grab a gun and climb on to the roof?
3. alert your remaining neighbors and organize a defense?
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Reply #26 - 03/16/18 at 08:20:37
 
WebsterMark wrote on 03/16/18 at 08:17:22:
That's not entirely correct Sew and the difference is significant.

The only purpose for the 2nd Amendment is so the citizenry of the US could stand against their own oppressive government should it turn against them the way England had just done. The colonies had no professional military because it wasn't allowed to. Those who fought in the Revolutionary War used their own weapons for the most part, certainly in the beginning, and they were roughly equal to what the British soldiers had.

Here's the critical point. Look at some nations today and in the recent past who oppress their citizens. Look at the left leaning regimes first. Nazi Germany, Communist China, Vietnam and modern day North Korea. Now look at right leading mostly theocracies, Saudi Arabia is perfect example. They controll the military and all weapons.

The US could never turn into North Korea or Saudi Arriba. If our government turned strongly left or right and began the extreme persecutions we see in these nations, we have the ability to fight back.

And if you don’t think a citizenry armed with civilian weapons can turn back government troops, I’d ask you to recall Afghanistan repealed both the Soviet Union and the US.  In fact, our original Revolution was another example.

This is why we have a 2nd Amendment. For all our faults, it would be very, very difficult for our government to turn us into North Korea. We’d fight back.

Yes, it's difficult. Yes, there are abuses. But look at our freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable searches. These freedoms come at a much higher cost than the 2nd Amendment and we would never consider yielding those. Actually, we are heading down a dangerous road by allowing Twitter and Facebook to determine what is hate speech but that's another topic.

It's hard to be an American. It will be even harder in the future because the appeal to give up freedoms for what we think is peace and security will become even stronger. We need to resist that urge.


Summary...
We're not like Germany,... we're like Afghanistan...

Great... Huh
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Reply #27 - 03/16/18 at 08:29:46
 
You see Bot?

Seems the only part of the Second Amendment that is up for interpretation is the word "militia".

Told ya!

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Reply #28 - 03/16/18 at 08:43:09
 
That
Militia
Being necessary for a
Free state, not State, state.
As in
A state of freedom for the people,

And, in Order to maintain that freedom

The RIGHT of the People to Keep and BEAR arms
Shall not be infringed.

And, the desire for somewhat equivalent firepower makes perfect sense.

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Reply #29 - 03/16/18 at 08:45:31
 
WebsterMark wrote on 03/16/18 at 08:17:22:
That's not entirely correct Sew and the difference is significant.

The only purpose for the 2nd Amendment is so the citizenry of the US could stand against their own oppressive government should it turn against them the way England had just done. The colonies had no professional military because it wasn't allowed to. Those who fought in the Revolutionary War used their own weapons for the most part, certainly in the beginning, and they were roughly equal to what the British soldiers had.

Correct, and they all had single shot, manually loaded firearms.

Here's the critical point. Look at some nations today and in the recent past who oppress their citizens. Look at the left leaning regimes first. Nazi Germany, Communist China, Vietnam and modern day North Korea. Now look at right leading mostly theocracies, Saudi Arabia is perfect example. They controll the military and all weapons.

The US could never turn into North Korea or Saudi Arriba. If our government turned strongly left or right and began the extreme persecutions we see in these nations, we have the ability to fight back.

And if you don’t think a citizenry armed with civilian weapons can turn back government troops, I’d ask you to recall Afghanistan repealed both the Soviet Union and the US.  In fact, our original Revolution was another example.

LOL - oh boy web... just how long are your arms to reach that far???  Seems you may need to brush up on your knowledge (lack thereof) of what happened (and what's happening currently) in Afghanistan.   Roll Eyes

This is why we have a 2nd Amendment. For all our faults, it would be very, very difficult for our government to turn us into North Korea. We’d fight back.

OK - so, if we needed to "fight back" - as it stands today, there are enough guns in private hands to arm every single citizen (including children!).  The argument could be made that that's enough... right?

Yes, it's difficult. Yes, there are abuses. But look at our freedom of speech, freedom from unreasonable searches. These freedoms come at a much higher cost than the 2nd Amendment and we would never consider yielding those.  What do you mean by "higher cost"?  My son, my brother, my father-in-law, my best friend all served to protect the entire Constitution.  There is not any one that is a "higher cost" than the others.

Actually, we are heading down a dangerous road by allowing Twitter and Facebook to determine what is hate speech but that's another topic.

It's hard to be an American. It will be even harder in the future because the appeal to give up freedoms for what we think is peace and security will become even stronger. We need to resist that urge.


It's hilarious that people like you equate "gun law reforms" to "banning all guns".  Give it a rest. No one, including the most liberal people out there, is talking about banning all guns.  No one wants to repeal the Second Amendment.
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