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03/15/18 at 12:31:18
 
Why do folks want/need at AK47 assault rifle?

Please, I am not looking for the right to bear arms argument, but what is this weapons draw?
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Reply #1 - 03/15/18 at 12:48:49
 
raydawg wrote on 03/15/18 at 12:31:18:
Why do folks want/need at AK47 assault rifle?

Please, I am not looking for the right to bear arms argument, but what is this weapons draw?



same as an AR15
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Reply #2 - 03/15/18 at 13:55:39
 
Its simple. They want it. Why does anyone want a motorcycle? They do. I bought another this afternoon. That makes 3. I don't need any of them, but I want them. Whose job is it and why to tell someone  no, you can't have what you want.

Sometimes society can. You can't have your own nuclear bomb. But guns are very specifically mentioned early on in our constitution. That's significant.
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Reply #3 - 03/15/18 at 14:23:43
 
So help me Web, would I be correct in saying for selfish reasons?
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Reply #4 - 03/15/18 at 14:25:04
 
 For fun.

 I have both weapon types, ammo drums, two full-auto capable and a stamp to carry a suppressor.  I got a suppressor on three weapons just to reduce the noise because I hate how my ears sweat under the headphones, and inserts make them itch.  Drums reduce the time I take reloading, however I hate filling them.  Also its fun.

 I agree with the post relating motorcycles to it.  People ask me all the time why I even buy them when they are used a year or two at most.  For fun.

 As for the 2nd Amendment I don't believe that if they had semi-auto weapons being used to kill children in schoolhouses that they would have worded it the same way.
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Reply #5 - 03/15/18 at 14:40:50
 
For fun, self serving fun, yes?
I am not trying to be an azz, just trying to understand before I advance any synopsis.

Is fun a justification for anything we choose to do?
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Reply #6 - 03/15/18 at 14:44:14
 
 I watched a movie the other day for fun.  I may not have been justified in that as it was self-serving.  I did not do it to further expand the economy surrounding its production and release.

 Can you more clearly define the term "justification" in context to recreational or self-serving action?
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Reply #7 - 03/15/18 at 14:54:30
 
Sure, thanks for asking...

Let me extend my thinking on this, as I try and find any correlation, of justification, again, I am wishing to give the legality, rights, a wide berth...

Let me use getting high, be it drinking, or drugs, both legal, right?
Folks say they do it for fun, recreational, etc...

Can you think of any possible scenarios that their fun, might encroach on mine?

I can, can you?
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Reply #8 - 03/15/18 at 15:44:48
 
 Yes their fun can encroach on yours.  I could think of 10, and with a day I could come up with hundreds of possible scenarios where alcohol or drug related activities could encroach on the community around them.  Give me a month and I could probably get you well over a thousand.

 If I drink and drive it is dangerous to many, or if consume excess OTC's for fun I could end up face down on a street corner.

 Its legal to mow my lawn, yard work is fun for me but it can encroach on my neighbors if I do it at 2am as the mower is loud as hell.

 Is fun a justification for me to mow my lawn?  (I'm not required to by law or covenant where I live)

 Your question is really broad when you ask if fun is a justification for anything we do.  Like my friend watching her kids use watercolors - is that justified?  Are you going that broad with the question?
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Reply #9 - 03/15/18 at 17:13:36
 
Yes, it sure is broad at this point, fun itself does not have the intention of hurting folks, or it wouldn’t fun.
The “gun” won’t just hurt someone when it’s unloaded and secured, or used in the proper manner, nor will booze if a alcoholic leaves it in the bottle, etc, if he doesn’t drink, his driving is much safer.

Should we take safeguards to make sure folks are not using the booze in a manner that might lead to possible consequences that cease being fun?

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Real busy at work, sorry, I am trying to get caught up from my time dealing with my surgery, etc, so I am working straight through thill Sunday evening, sleeping at home duh, then off again on Monday for my last surgery and recovery...
So, my replies might be delayed, sorry.
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Reply #10 - 03/15/18 at 18:20:59
 
"Should we take safeguards to make sure folks are not using the booze in a manner that might lead to possible consequences that cease being fun?"

 Yeah.  This is already done, are you asking if there should be more?   

 We could stop the public consumption of liquor and require it be done only on private property with supervision by assigned and certified persons.  Or only allow the production and imports of 3.2 beer - no hard alcohol or wines etc.

 For firearms there are safeguards, and people are pushing for more.  I'm pretty sure nobody wants to remove current safeguards and start leaving loaded firearms laying around.


 How would we use the term "justification" and apply it to "fun" or at least "self serving fun" in a way that I concise enough to implement even more safeguards into law?

 
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Reply #11 - 03/15/18 at 19:07:54
 
Eegore wrote on 03/15/18 at 15:44:48:
 Yes their fun can encroach on yours.  I could think of 10, and with a day I could come up with hundreds of possible scenarios where alcohol or drug related activities could encroach on the community around them.  Give me a month and I could probably get you well over a thousand.

 If I drink and drive it is dangerous to many, or if consume excess OTC's for fun I could end up face down on a street corner.

 Its legal to mow my lawn, yard work is fun for me but it can encroach on my neighbors if I do it at 2am as the mower is loud as hell.

 Is fun a justification for me to mow my lawn?  (I'm not required to by law or covenant where I live)

 Your question is really broad when you ask if fun is a justification for anything we do.  Like my friend watching her kids use watercolors - is that justified?  Are you going that broad with the question?


You just completely blew me away.
That's the most libertarian explanation I've seen.

And the
Why would anyone want one
Is so in line with
Why would anyone want a motorcycle..
But,
None of it matters.
Americans have a Right to own whatever they want, regardless of whether you understand WHY.

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Reply #12 - 03/15/18 at 19:18:40
 
No JOG2, Americans do not have the right to own whatever they want.
Every society reviews those items available at any time, and makes a judgment whether it seems beneficial to allow ownership..be it atom bombs, guns, anacondas, second wives, slaves or Japanese beetles.  And as time moves on, some things that were once restricted become legal and available, and some things that were legal become illegal.  
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Reply #13 - 03/15/18 at 19:52:05
 
 I agree with Trippah here, its going to change and should.  I do not believe Americans have a right to own anything they want.  I'd like slaves, any race will do, but free laborers would do me wonders.  Also a few baboons would be cool.

 Where do people even get the idea that Americans can own anything they want?  

 Marijuana was illegal and in my state we voted it in.  No increase in crime as predicted.  However if the majority votes it back out, then so be it.  That's what elections are for.

 I am ok with our laws changing with society and that means partially what we can and cant own.
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Reply #14 - 03/15/18 at 21:26:12
 
Yes, laws should change as society deems it’s need, or value....
Isn’t that the true freedom of democracy instead of hanging rigid to the past, like needing a gun to eat, etc?

With the idea of restricting fun so it doesn’t become a liability, like at a bar, the tender can shut you off, if he deems you have become a problem with consumption.
How about having these assault rifles use, and possession, maintained by the range owners, where you can still enjoy the fun of the sport, but the weapon can not leave the premises, strictly pay to play....
Tell me, why that couldn’t work?
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