From the Original Post:
“…But we don’t know what the markers are for going too far on the left….”

I would say:
 Standing in one’s, ’safe’ space, defending ones right to speak their opinion.
 But not allowing anyone in, that, ’safe’ space, that has a different opinion.

 Stating that putting up a sign, will protect all,
 who are in that place, the sign is in front of.

 Burning cars, Looting, Steeling, Lying, Destruction of property,
 is the ONLY  way to make a opinion heard.

 All people that own  a gun, are Bad people.

 Only White people can be racist,  (or)
 a race, other than white, cannot be raciest.

If you don’t believe what I am telling you,
 than you Must be a …, …, …, …, …,

 I don't like what you are doing,
 so I will make a  LAW, you can't do it.

 I have a thing, that is similar to the thing I  want to BAN,
 therefore, I know all about that thing that I want to BAN.

Above,  are just a  FEW of the things,
 (In MY  Opinion their are a whole lot more)
which identify a,  Ultra-Liberal.

(OBTW, Post #7,  is that not a, ‘whataboutism’, ?)

MnSpring wrote on 04/19/18 at 08:08:35:


concerning Post #7:
no, it's not.

Is Trump not part of the conservative spectrum (if not the leader of it) referenced in the original post?  

I used an example from that spectrum that was mentioned by the original post to discuss the point of the original post.

the original post declares conservatives better stewards of their ideology than liberals, and via example, I proved that wrong, imo.

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 04/19/18 at 08:50:12:

"Is Trump not part of the conservative spectrum (if not the leader of it) referenced in the original post? ..." 

Did you read the same post I did ?
Please point out where it said 'Trump' or any connection to him !

"...the original post declares conservatives better stewards of their ideology than liberals, and via example, I proved that wrong, imo. ..."

You proved your point by, WHAT ?

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 04/19/18 at 14:20:49:

 ...  (a big ...) the markers for going too far either way are the limiting of freedom of individuals just because of ideology -meaning without data driven to protect or serve others in the nation in a meaningful fashion.  aka, going too close to authoritarianism. in America, no king is better than a king on your side

Lost, the first thing you need to do,
    is start thinking for yourself,
         and stop parroting what a Troll says.

              Boiled down, to the original post.
The Conservatives, have, decided,
that the Nazi,  KKK, Fascist, parties and the like,
         are, ULTRA - Conservatives
And not part of a main stream conservative believe.
 AND, have identified they are,
“… outside the domain of acceptable opinion…”

The Liberals, have  NOT, decided,
that the, BLM, ANTIFA, Communists/Socialists, and the like,
           are, ULTRA-  Liberal
And, ARE, part of a main stream liberal believe.
 AND, have, NOT, identified they are,
 “… outside the domain of acceptable opinion…”

The name of a ‘belief’, (Any Belief), with a, ULTRA in front of it.
has now come to mean the 4-8% of that POV.  
  In other words, the Very Extreme !

Also a voter,
who voted for a candidate, who is running under a party,
                     does NOT mean,
they support  EVERY  nail and screw, holding the Planks down.

Talk to the MAGA hat...

MnSpring wrote on 04/20/18 at 07:35:57:



when have you started thinking for yourself? you are literally just parroting the original post in your own crazy syntax.  You aren't actually responding to my rebuttal of it.  

Conservatives at all levels are continuing their support of Nazis, KKK and fascist authoritarians as we speak, through various dog whistles and tweet  

isn't their a Nazi running for the House of Representatives on the Republican ticket in Illinois?  He's not running as an independent or in the Nazi party, He apparently feels like he belongs in the Republican party. Sure republican leaders have come out against that, but so what, Democrat leaders have come out against BLM and Antifa and Communists as well, but you still think that Liberals haven't disowned them enough, so I'm allowed to think that you and your conservative brethren haven't disowned your racist, bigoted past.  And with tweets by your leaders, who can blame me.

BLM, Antifa and communism is not mainstream liberalism, just like racist, nazi and fascist authoritarianism are not  mainstream conservativism either.

here's the difference, I'm the one here willing to give most conservatives the benefit of the doubt, while you sit there and scream at me not able to think for myself and declare yourself superior to me because you're on the "right" side.

and when it comes down to it, both parties are playing to win, and that's it. They'll both take the support of whoever is willing to give it to them, which is what I said in my first response,

I am NOT convinced that Racism, White Supremacy and anti LBGTQ and other bigotry and Authoritarian ideology has been sufficiently purged from the conservative spectrum. The current conservative white house would love to be in a more authoritarian state.

And I'll admit that yes, BLM, Antifa and communism do have some influence on liberalism in general, the difference is, I disagree with BLM, Antifa and communism in their methods and the limiting individual freedom aspect of some of those (and with communism as a whole because it just becomes unworkable in any practical sense and it's wrong to make people do things they don't want for the "good of the state" or whatever) But I agree with them in a more general way that things could be better, but yes Antifa is a disturbing movement but it's countering a disturbing movement of fascists and bigots.  

and I disagree with the conservative bigoted movements in that they are target to limit other people's freedom based on "tradition and heritage and outdated values, etc... "  

so if you were in Illinois, would you vote for the Republican party representative even though he's a Nazi, but he's for your party... or would you at least abstain from voting?  (to be fair, I haven't really researched too much about this so I"m not sure how valid the claims of his nazism are. So if you have insight into that then sorry if I've judged too harshly based on the nominal reporting that I've heard about it) <---this statement shows healthy skepticism and a willingness to think for myself by not accepting the reporting I've seen as 100% true and infallible .  

and for christ sake, I wouldn't have written a response that darn long without using my own brain to create it, so if you could please stop with the "You don't think for yourself and just parrot what a "troll" says" retorts that'd be great since it's borderline defamation and just shows your ignorance.

MnSpring wrote on 04/20/18 at 14:43:00:


well, let's be clear.  that's NOT saying all conservatives show support for those groups, but there are conservatives at all levels of government that do.

and yes, it's a rather small minority, but the same is true with liberals, there's a small minority that support the more radical extremes of the crazy left