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A  Van
04/24/18 at 07:43:47
 
A Van, is clearly a vehicle,
which Only a  Professional should possess.


Their is NO  Reason, a normal citizen should possess one.
Their are plenty of other cars/trucks/MC’s, to be able to satisfy the transportation need for a private citizen.

A, VAN, should  be used Only by a fully Licensed, Professional.
   (and Kept in a  Locked  Garage, until it is used)
And most certainly,
  NOT  filled with a high octane, alcohol free gasoline,
    and super grip tires, that can get a grip on a smooth surface,
                            like a sidewalk.

Now for the the Fairy Dust Sprinklers, who have their panties in a bunch.
                Does the above sound a bit ridiculous ?

       It is, JUST, as  Ridiculous, as,  
            BANNING, a type of firearm,
             and capacity of clips/magazines.


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: A  Van
Reply #1 - 04/24/18 at 08:03:02
 
Yes,.. it does sound ridiculous...
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Re: A  Van
Reply #2 - 04/24/18 at 08:37:34
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/24/18 at 08:03:02:
Yes,.. it does sound ridiculous...
 
So glad you agree,   That,
“… BANNING, a type of firearm,
and capacity of clips/magazines…”


Is Just as ridiculous as:
Banning  A Van,
(which Only a  Professional should possess)
   Etc, etc, etc,

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: A  Van
Reply #3 - 04/24/18 at 08:49:51
 
Another Rental used to kill.

Maybe the rental companies need to restrict access to their vans.
Certain people can't rent without a complete background check.
But that would punish the innocent.
Can't do that
Unless
Gunz..
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Re: A  Van
Reply #4 - 04/24/18 at 09:06:25
 
A gun, if used as intended... kills...
A van,... hauls stuff.
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Re: A  Van
Reply #5 - 04/24/18 at 09:14:19
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/24/18 at 08:49:51:
Another Rental used to kill.
Maybe the rental companies need to restrict access to their vans.
Certain people can't rent without a complete background check.
But that would punish the innocent.
Can't do that    Unless     Gunz..


Wow, never thought of that.


Well it’s very clear,
if, Rental Companies.
Demanded a comprehensive background check, Like:
Are you Mentally Ill ?  Do you Plan on Running Over People ? Are you going to Blow up the Rental ?  Are you going to carry any ‘forbidden’, items in it ? Do you plan to use it for ‘Illegal or Illicit means ?  Do you plan to transport any illegal aliens in it ?
(And I am sure, the, ‘Fairy Dust Sprinklers’, will think of a WHOLE  bunch MORE)
 Instead of just a  “Driver License’.

Of course, their is always the ‘other’ way.
  Require the above things, to get, a  D.L.
 than a rental company, Only, has to ask to see a D.L.
because, ’Someone Else’, took care of their, problem/checking/requiring, for them.

Because if, ‘Rental, companies did that.
Their would be absolutely NO  MORE  CRIME,
Connected with, ‘Renting A Van




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Re: A  Van
Reply #6 - 04/24/18 at 09:27:15
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/24/18 at 09:06:25:
A gun, if used as intended... kills...
A van,... hauls stuff.


"...A gun, if used as intended… kills..."
          In, SOME, cases.  
The numbers used,
in, Self Defense, in Suicide, and Hunting,
by the  ‘BANNING’ people, are all Lumped in the;
         ‘All Guns Are Bad’

"...A van,… hauls stuff..."
AND, can/has, ALSO, been used to, KILL  People,
    (In Many Various ways)
         If MISUSED.

So, why is it, the, ‘Gun’
when a,  ‘Person’, has misused it ?

Why is it the, ‘Person’,
when something else,
besides a 'gun', is misused ?
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Re: A  Van
Reply #7 - 04/24/18 at 10:16:08
 
If a gun is just an inanimate object,... just a tool, like any other,... why do you think you are so passionate about them?...
Are you this emotionally invested in your juicer?...

It's not about guns usefulness as a tool,... it's not even about the second amendment....  
...it's about the deep psychological need that some Americans have for guns.
Very different than a cargo van...
I wish guns were just tools...
If they were,... we wouldn't be having this argument.
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Re: A  Van
Reply #8 - 04/24/18 at 10:28:27
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/24/18 at 10:16:08:
If a gun is just an inanimate object,... just a tool, like any other,... why do you think you are so passionate about them?...
Are you this emotionally invested in your juicer?...     It's not about guns usefulness as a tool,... it's not even about the second amendment....    ...it's about the deep psychological need that some Americans have for guns.     Very different than a cargo van...    I wish guns were just tools...   If they were,... we wouldn't be having this argument.  


‘Guns’,   ARE   Tools.

“…it’s not even about the second amendment….”


          YES it is.
That is the Total/Whole reason.
When you understand, EXACTLY, what the
second amendment, actually Means.
            Then you will get it.

If one does NOT  understand,
  if one, refuses to understand,
    if one fails to acknowledge,
  then that one, will Never get it.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: A  Van
Reply #9 - 04/24/18 at 10:30:26
 
Can, ANYBODY,
  Answer this:

Why is it, the, ‘Gun’
when a,  ‘Person’, has misused it ?

Why is it the, ‘Person’,
when something else,
besides a 'gun', is misused ?

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: A  Van
Reply #10 - 04/24/18 at 10:42:18
 
MnSpring wrote on 04/24/18 at 10:30:26:
Can, ANYBODY,
  Answer this:

Why is it, the, ‘Gun’
when a,  ‘Person’, has misused it ?

Why is it the, ‘Person’,
when something else,
besides a 'gun', is misused ?




Because the person hasn't misused it. They used it exactly for what it was built for.
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Re: A  Van
Reply #11 - 04/24/18 at 10:49:27
 
FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 04/24/18 at 10:42:18:
Because the person hasn't misused it. They used it exactly for what it was built for.


     There's  one, who doesn't get it.

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Re: A  Van
Reply #12 - 04/24/18 at 13:39:17
 
Dear lost
Do you know why the second amendment exists?
Please explain.
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Re: A  Van
Reply #13 - 04/24/18 at 14:11:07
 
MnSpring wrote on 04/24/18 at 10:49:27:
FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 04/24/18 at 10:42:18:
Because the person hasn't misused it. They used it exactly for what it was built for.


     There's  one, who doesn't get it.



if a gun shoots and kills someone, that's not a mis-use. That's how that is supposed to work. I mean I guess guns are good paper weights...  maybe, maybe a decent hammer...  idk...

Have you ever seen that episode of the Simpsons where Homer gets a gun... that's mis-use of a gun.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/23/homer_simpson_if_you_dont_...

yes those are exaggerations, hence the comedy aspect of it....



If you don't want to kill people, why have a tool designed to kill people?

Maybe you are in a dangerous environment where people are trying to kill you, so you feel the need to defend yourself with equal if not superior force, you are still killing. Still using the tool exactly how it was designed. It's not a taser, it's a deadly force weapon.

and if it makes you feel better, you only do it in defense, not even proactive defense, just scared for your life defense. but that's just to make you feel better, you are still killing. do you have the right to kill in that way, legally sure, morally sure, but the object doesn't care, those are manmade ideas about what we think  we should be able to do.  

but if you feel your individual needs are to kill, regardless of what these other hairless apes are telling you, the object of your choice is the same.  you aren't misusing the object, it is designed to exactly what you want to do. In fact, using guns offensively is even a more correct usage of a gun, a gun isn't reactive, the human has to train or otherwise be conditioned to be reactive. The gun's not offensive either, but it's use is far easier when it's not being juggled by reactive responses a bang too late...  

I get it, it's the person, the person is misguided yes. and a gun is no more dangerous than a sealed envelope of anthrax, and I think it's fine to not want either in your life, and the discussion is healthy. I think it's fine that if you want those in your life, that maybe you should be required to be trained in how to handle them and what they really are.  


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

the bold part is just as important as the other part.

a well practiced militia (even of one) is of equal importance as the access and availability of arms are.  

those two clauses are balanced, so I don't know why so many are fighting a little encouragement by the government to focus on creating well practiced and meaningful proprietors of arms

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Re: A  Van
Reply #14 - 04/24/18 at 14:12:23
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/24/18 at 13:39:17:
Dear lost
Do you know why the second amendment exists?
Please explain.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

the bold part is why, it's not just so everyone who desires to have a gun can have one.
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