It is illegal to own a sawed-off shotgun,.. or brass knuckles...
You can't go out and buy a cruise, or a SAM missile.

The right to bare arms is not all encompassing,.. it is regulated...
AR's should be in the same category.

Banning the AR15 wouldn't hurt,.. but I was thinking more of a ban on all high capacity guns...
The limit in Australia for semi-auto's is 5 rounds I believe,... but so many guns have 7 to 10 round clips I would think 10 rounds is more reasonable.
Guns with higher capacity could always be limited just by clip capacity without being banned completely.

I know that's outrageous to some, but for the majority of people I think they would see it a fair compromise.
Aren't shotguns limited to 3 or 5 rounds?.... something like that?...  
That's not unreasonable...

MnSpring wrote on 04/25/18 at 16:02:31:



that's quite a jump...  

Asking the government to keep killing arms out of a crazy guy's hands is somehow giving up a freedom?  

so I'm going to play your game now.  Why does he have the right to KILL?   There is a link between hurting animals and anti-social behavior which can lead to criminal activity.  So to curb that a bit, that guy gets a shotgun, not an AR/AK whatawhozit.  Now with that shotgun he can still do his activity but if that activity leads to a more depraved criminal nature he now doesnt' have a tool to inflict the most damage and he'll have to at least think of something else, possibly delaying that depraved criminal activity.  

and hey, we could set up a test of some kind to determine if he is in-fact mentally capable with dealing with the responsibility of owning a high powered, semi-automatic killing device.

This is just We the PEOPLE, looking out for each other, you know, see something say something kind of thing.

you're okay with profiling muslims and limiting their freedoms but not gun tooting crazies???

FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 04/25/18 at 16:20:41:

that's quite a jump...  
Asking the government to keep killing arms out of a crazy guy's hands is somehow giving up a freedom?

 

Not even Close.  Good try though.
Just keep watching TT, you may learn how to make something totally different. Then Cry about it.

so I'm going to play your game now.  Why does he have the right to KILL?  

Na, Not a game. And that person you describe, does NOT have a right to kill,  except in self defense.

There is a link between hurting animals and anti-social behavior which can lead to criminal activity.  

Yep,  Hurting/Torturing, not hunting.

So to curb that a bit, that guy gets a shotgun, not an AR/AK whatawhozit.  Now with that shotgun he can still do his activity but if that activity leads to a more depraved criminal nature he now doesnt' have a tool to inflict the most damage and he'll have to at least think of something else, possibly delaying that depraved criminal activity.  

So, YOU, know  he should not get a AR, but a Shotgun.
 And HOW, do you know that ??????
Did it EVER  occur to you,  if that person cannot have a AR,
they can't have a  shotgun either !!!!!!!!!!!!!

and hey, we could set up a test of some kind to determine if he is in-fact mentally capable with dealing with the responsibility of owning a high powered, semi-automatic killing device.

Sure,  My Test, Your Test, His Test, Her Test ?
Which test, who makes it up, who decides pass or fail ???????
 Perhaps some day, most certainly NOT TODAY

This is just We the PEOPLE, looking out for each other, you know, see something say something kind of thing.

Yep, another good idea.
Until YOU, decide your neighbor dosen't cut his grass the way, YOU, like.
So you, '"Report'" him.

you're okay with profiling muslims and limiting their freedoms but not gun tooting crazies???  

Nop. Did Say, their are Muslims, that want to kill me,  AND YOU.
Did say I want to LIMIT, their Freedom to KILL,  me and you.
Never said, wanted to limit their freedom to live their life.

Serowbot wrote on 04/25/18 at 16:35:46:

I know there's the "slippery slope" argument... give an inch and they'll take a mile.
... but there's also the "hold yer' breath 'till yer' blue" argument,... which is... If you aren't willng to reasonable compromise and negotiations...  in less than a year, Dem's may take the House and Senate,.. and in 3 years very likely the Presidency.... and you may be shut out of the decision.
Much as the Pub's are doing now...  Is that the game you want to play?....  Every day, people become more angry, and people want some action.  You can work with them to make something fair,... or get steamrolled down the line.   Is there any compromise that you would accept as reasonable?

Why does the, 'Compromise', have to be,
'Take away a firearm, or restrict Mag capacity' ?
       (or some Freedom given up)

Why cannot the, 'Compromise', be:
Take DOWN those Silly Signs,
 that have Proven to NOT work, Time after Time.
Allow, the people that are skilled/knowledgeable/etc,
            with firearms,
to HAVE them, to  PREVENT, a school/etc  shooting.

           Why does a, compromise, Have to be,
a Conservative, position giving way to a Liberal position.

"They won't care if the signs go down either.
They are crazy and mostly suicidal."

 I wondered how long it would take for someone to toss this out there.

 If we want to reduce crime we need to focus on criminals and criminal behavior.  

Serowbot wrote on 04/25/18 at 17:29:34:

Because it's a Conservative issue...
On the issue of women's reproductive rights all compromises are limitations on women's rights to manage their own bodies...
It's in the nature of the issue.
Taking down "No Guns" signs will be as useless as putting them up.
As I've said before,.. "No Guns" signs are there to warn law abiding gun toters that they will be mistaken as a menace in this area,..
...and potentially could be shot by police in the event of any eruption of violence.
Nobody on the Left thinks a "No Guns" sign will prevent a mass shooter from shooting.
They won't care if the signs go down either.
They are crazy and mostly suicidal.

“…Taking down “No Guns” signs will be as useless as putting them up…”

Totally Disagree.
For the SAME  reason, YOU, don’t put up a sign,
        (No Guns In Here)
        In front of your house.

“…Because it’s a Conservative issue…"
            (compromise)
No it’s NOT a  Conservative issue,
 Conservatives are NOT,
    Crying out to BAN,  Guns and # of Ammunition.

Let’s see if I got this straight.
 Liberals,  Because they ‘Perceived’, they were ‘wronged’.
By a State, Limiting the time a Baby can be aborted.
              They consider that a, compromise.

So Now, it’s the  Liberals Turn,
so the Conservatives have to Compromise.
By allowing a DFI to Willy-nilly, shoot and KILL,
         anyone they want.

Gollyieeee  GEEEEEEEE,
What ever happened to,
 ‘Let’s do what Works’
        and Not do
what we all know does NOT  work !

It's not about rules and available tools.
It's about the society and the hearts of people.