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Reply #46 - 04/26/18 at 11:55:41

I went to school with kids who were regular visitors to the principal's office.
No, not a counselor, the Principal.
He had a paddle.
Used it.
Not one of the punks, thugs and miscreants I went to school with went in shooting.
And
Again
The guns aren't at fault.
The social program, the Promise program protected Cruz from the natural and reasonable consequences for his antisocial behavior.
The F.B.I. Admitted they failed to follow up on warnings
The cops Went to His HOUSE over Thirty TIMES
And the Resource officer stated he suggested Cruz be forcibly committed over a year before he killed.

But
Guns

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Reply #47 - 04/26/18 at 12:59:21

This debate is so dumb. I own guns, you know why? Because I want to! I live in a free country, I am of sound body and mind, I have never been arrested. I have paid my taxes since I was old enough to work and have never taken any tax payers money. It quite frankly is nobody else's business what I own, and it is certainly no one else's right to tell me what I can or can not have. I happen to believe that if I want to set up a .50 cal automatic machine gun on my porch to DEFEND my home that is MY business. I have never pointed my guns at a human, I have never fired a gun at a human. But I guarantee if someone comes in my house uninvited they will find there is a first time for everything. Who does ANYBODY think they are to tell me how I am allowed to defend my home and my family.

leave me alone and go after the criminals.

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Reply #48 - 04/26/18 at 13:19:01

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/26/18 at 09:07:53:

It's not about rules and available tools.
It's about the society and the hearts of people.

correct.

listen, I'm not anti-gun, but I am more Pro-education. I did state that even though I might believe that, I wasn't sure if it should be law, just a preference of my own, to be educated about what I'm really buying and getting into and how serious it is. Life and death isn't something to be so cavalier about, a constitutional right or not.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: A Van Reply #49 - 04/26/18 at 14:01:33 While I agree with people knowing how to handle guns safety, I'm not seeing that as part of the reason for this thread. Cruz knew how to shoot.
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FormerlyLostArtist Ex Member	Re: A Van Reply #50 - 04/26/18 at 14:29:30 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/26/18 at 14:01:33: While I agree with people knowing how to handle guns safety, I'm not seeing that as part of the reason for this thread. Cruz knew how to shoot. well, this thread is about van being misued and someone getting their panties in a bunch about the word misuse (that someone is me)
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: A Van Reply #51 - 04/26/18 at 15:08:15 Right, IIRC since Armalite advertising described the AR15 as an Assault Weapon it was right and proper use to commit murder with it.
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Reply #52 - 04/26/18 at 15:35:49

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/26/18 at 15:08:15:

Right, IIRC since Armalite advertising described the AR15 as an Assault Weapon it was right and proper use to commit murder with it.

No, it's not right and proper, but it's using the device as it's designed to be used without without changing any of it's functional or definitional parameters.

I've already explained this and I wish you'd all quit trying to make it sound like I'm condoning murder. The hyperbole is not appreciated.

A tool is designed to do what it does, when you use it to do that, you aren't misusing it. This is not a moral or legal stance, but a strictly functional stance pertaining to the device.

It's not a misuse of a computer to hack into a store's database and steal your identity. the computer is functioning 100% within it's design parameters. It's still illegal and morally wrong, but the computer isn't going against it's design.

it's the difference between the sayings:
"You're using it wrong." <-- me
and
"That's not what that's for." <--- you all

and that's the last time I'm attempting to explain it to you all.

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Reply #53 - 04/26/18 at 16:05:32

Serowbot wrote on 04/26/18 at 08:24:08:

Tell it to Australia... Huh

Guessing you are comparing the gun BAN/buy back, Australia did,
with the fact that, their Gun, violence/death rate, went down.

Would that be the SAME WAY.
as if the US BANNED MC’s
and they would see, the accidents/deaths by MC’s rate,
Going Down ?
Then saying: “See, it works” !!!!!!!!!!!

Hurry, those Ocean front lots in Iowa,
are almost sold out.

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Reply #54 - 04/26/18 at 16:09:27

MnSpring wrote on 04/26/18 at 16:05:32:

Serowbot wrote on 04/26/18 at 08:24:08:

Tell it to Australia... Huh

Guessing you are comparing the gun BAN/buy back, Australia did,
with the fact that, their Gun, violence/death rate, went down.

Would that be the SAME WAY.
as if the US BANNED MC’s
and they would see, the accidents/deaths by MC’s rate,
Going Down ?
Then saying: “See, it works” !!!!!!!!!!!

Hurry, those Ocean front lots in Iowa,
are almost sold out.

can you post something without being antagonistic?? or do you just love to complain when people call you "Batshit crazy" etc... if you can't take it, don't serve it. Snowflake

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10590 Minn Gender:	Re: A Van Reply #55 - 04/26/18 at 16:25:08 FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 04/26/18 at 16:09:27: can you post something without being antagonistic?? or do you just love to complain when people call you "Batshit crazy" etc... if you can't take it, don't serve it. Snowflake OH, So Sorry Lost. I Forgot to save, YOU, some of those lots.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: A Van Reply #56 - 04/26/18 at 19:28:59 not a misuse of a computer to hack into a store's database and steal your identity. the computer is functioning 100% within it's design parameters. It's still illegal and morally wrong, but the computer isn't going against it's design. , And yet, banning the machine is more appealing than dealing with the idiots who would misuse the gun.
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Reply #57 - 04/27/18 at 05:43:38

Besides re-hashing the same topic over and over, repeating ourselves over and over, making comparisons over and over; is there any suggestions on what can actually be done in correlation with your opinion?

For instance if we are going to argue over banning vehicles do you have suggestions or people in your local legislation that can get it in motion? If not, what about firearms, or local LE funding?

Or is it more productive to our local community and country as a whole to keep repeating our arguments to each other on here?

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Reply #58 - 04/27/18 at 06:32:29

One way would be to, (’GASP’),
Enforce the LAWS, already on the Books !!!!!!

Like Prosecute, More than, 0.04% of the people that LIE on the 4473.

“…U.S. Attorneys’ Office policy not to prosecute people for lying on background check forms while attempting to illegally acquire a firearm. Investigators found that the office did not prosecute such cases unless they were accompanied by other charges…”

“… the decision not to prosecute background check-related crimes was the result of a shift in policy by the Obama administration following the Sandy Hook school shooting…”

“…between 2008 and 2015, the FBI denied 556,496 gun purchases following background checks. During that time period, the report shows that only 254 false statements were even considered for prosecution, amounting to a 0.04 percent prosecution rate…”

Or, actually REPORT, Violent Crimes, for a ‘Background Check’, (Which EXISTS, un-like the LIES H.R.C. has said).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-fbi-gun-background-check-sy...
“…The FBI's background-check system is missing millions of records of criminal convictions, mental illness diagnoses and other flags that would keep guns out of potentially dangerous hands…”

“…The FBI said it doesn’t know the scope of the problem, but the National Rifle Association says about 7 million records are absent from the system…”

“…”at least 25% of felony convictions . . . are not available" to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System maintained by the FBI…”

See Bot, no need to, Compromise,
Just ENFORCE the Existing LAWS !

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Reply #59 - 04/27/18 at 07:00:11

How does a Felon, determine if he/she, is on the, ‘List’ ?

Simple, just walk into a Gun Shop
(Which in actuality is already a crime, as a Felon cannot be near guns)
Fill out a 4473, the dealer does the, “Background check”,
(Which Sarah Brady got put into place in 1993,
which prevented,
dangerous people from purchasing guns)
and it comes back, ‘Proceed’ or ‘Deny’.

If it is, ‘Proceed’, a FELON Just got a GUN, Complements of the FBI.
If it is, ‘Deny’, then Nothing Happens.
I will Repeat, NOTHING HAPPENS.

(And yes their is a, ‘Delay’, which
a, ‘Proceed’ or, ‘Deny’, is the ultimate result.)

(Well unless you are from Chicago,
then just go to the trunk of a car,
in a dark ally)

Oh, BTY, How's that, 'War', on Drugs going ?

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