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Reply #60 - 04/27/18 at 07:25:27
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/26/18 at 19:28:59:
And yet, banning the machine is more appealing than dealing with the idiots who would misuse the gun.


Just how much mental health evaluation, treatment, supervision, involuntary commitment, or incarceration, are you willing to pay for?...
A national health might help, but it would need greatly expanded mental services.

You're now ready to loosen your purse strings?...
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Reply #61 - 04/27/18 at 07:35:22
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/27/18 at 07:25:27:
Just how much mental health evaluation, treatment, supervision, involuntary commitment, or incarceration, are you willing to pay for?...
A national health might help, but it would need greatly expanded mental services.
You're now ready to loosen your purse strings?...  Good... Cool


Perhaps start with,
 Reporting, what has already HAPPENED.
Instead of paying someone to push a piece of paper,
back and forth on their desk?

"...Or, actually  REPORT, Violent Crimes,  for a  ‘Background Check’,  (Which EXISTS, un-like the LIES  H.R.C. has said). ..."



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Reply #62 - 04/27/18 at 08:01:01
 
Serowbot wrote on 04/27/18 at 07:25:27:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/26/18 at 19:28:59:
And yet, banning the machine is more appealing than dealing with the idiots who would misuse the gun.


Just how much mental health evaluation, treatment, supervision, involuntary commitment, or incarceration, are you willing to pay for?...
A national health might help, but it would need greatly expanded mental services.

You're now ready to loosen your purse strings?...
Good... Cool


Your concept of
Dealing with the idiots
Isn't the same as mine.
How many counselors did Cruz get?
You know that's what they did, right?
Instead of locking that nutjob up,because
They Wanted The
MUNNEY..
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Reply #63 - 04/27/18 at 08:52:57
 
Minority Report... Cool...
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Reply #64 - 04/27/18 at 09:08:55
 
Really?
The F.B.I. was warned more than once
The cops were called to his house over THIRTY FUKKING  TIMES,
Are you blind?
Did you not understand the part about
IGNORING ARRESTABLE OFFENSES
To get the Statistics Right
And
Get
Federal
Money?
Did you fail to read the report of the
SRO who recommended that he be
Forcibly committed?
Who do you think Cruz was to the regular students?
He was an unholy terror and the system
Comfukkingpletely FAILED the innocent kids.

But
GUNZ
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Reply #65 - 04/27/18 at 12:51:30
 
Eegore wrote on 04/27/18 at 05:43:38:
 Besides re-hashing the same topic over and over, repeating ourselves over and over, making comparisons over and over; is there any suggestions on what can actually be done in correlation with your opinion?

 For instance if we are going to argue over banning vehicles do you have suggestions or people in your local legislation that can get it in motion?  If not, what about firearms, or local LE funding?

 Or is it more productive to our local community and country as a whole to keep repeating our arguments to each other on here?



I think it's important to discuss semantics, because there is seriously a communication issue between those that argue

the word "misuse" set off someone trying to make a point about the media being misleading and their bias against guns. When really, it's just a totally fine and accurate word to use in this case. Sure the headline for a gun incident could be "the killer misused an AR-15 in this violent shooting" or something, but would that really make the original poster happier.  Does he want to force his own word preferences on the media which has a 1st amendment right?

using the word misuse in this incident is more complete, it really backs up all of the definitions of the word misuse completely, not just the social one.  It's not a term that was meant to enforce any bias in the media, yet the OP is so obsessed that everything the media does is biased against conservative point of views that he's incensed enough by it to start a post here about it, trolling us into a gun control debate that he knows is useless and will change no ones' mind on here.  except for them to cast judgement while declaring that if we do that to him he'd like a moderator to do something about it.
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Reply #66 - 04/27/18 at 12:56:59
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 04/27/18 at 09:08:55:
Really?
The F.B.I. was warned more than once
The cops were called to his house over THIRTY FUKKING  TIMES,
Are you blind?
Did you not understand the part about
IGNORING ARRESTABLE OFFENSES
To get the Statistics Right
And
Get
Federal
Money?
Did you fail to read the report of the
SRO who recommended that he be
Forcibly committed?
Who do you think Cruz was to the regular students?
He was an unholy terror and the system
Comfukkingpletely FAILED the innocent kids.

But
GUNZ


so, if they wouldn't have ignored those things, which, yes they shouldn't have, would you be okay with them preemptively taking away his guns?  or forcably committing him, taking away his freedom even though he hadn't committed any actual crimes (sorry if I'm totally wrong on that case I don't have all the details here so I'm totally open to being complete wrong about his situation) but in general, someone calls the cops on you 30 times to complain about you, then it's okay for the cops to take away your freedom...  when is it okay for the authorities to revoke some of your freedoms?
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Reply #67 - 04/27/18 at 17:37:14
 
He
Committed CRIMES.

Do you not read?
Read what he DID.

Understand that the
Promise Program gives the cops a way to shrug off arresting and instead
Recommend
Counselling.
Good God man, I'm TIRED of explaining the Obvious.
Get it through your head.

He committed ARRESTABLE OFFENSES.

Really, you know a buncha people who have been Socially VISITED by the cops over THIRTY TIMES?



People REPORTED what a scary guy he was
And NOTHING WAS DONE

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/08/nikolas-cruzs-mom-tormented-by-his-behav...


But
Goddam
Gunz..
Bullshit
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Reply #68 - 04/27/18 at 17:43:15
 
“a professional school shooter."

Special Agent Rob Lasky, in charge of the FBI’s Miami division, confirmed during a Thursday morning news conference the agency investigated a comment made on a YouTube video in September that matched the remark reported by vlogger Ben Bennight. After conducting database reviews, however, the FBI said it could not identify the user who made the comment.

"No other information was included in the comment which would indicate a particular time, location or the true identity of the person who posted the comment," the FBI said in a subsequent statement.


The comment, made by user Nikolas Cruz, stated: “I’m going to be a professional school shooter.”

Probably not something to take action on..
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Reply #69 - 04/27/18 at 18:31:56
 
including a February 2016 call from a neighbor warning he made a threat on Instagram to "shoot up" the high school, and another last November advising he was collecting guns and knives and appeared to be "a school shooter in the making." Though deputies visited Cruz at his home, they did not try to recover his weapons, despite requests from relatives who feared he planned to use them on his classmates.


So, action taken by the cops against This guy would be unreasonable.
But infringing on the RIGHTS OF EVERY PERSON is okay.
You guys are geniuses.
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Reply #70 - 04/28/18 at 00:52:57
 

 I know we had this conversation already, but I cant recall the specifics.

 What did Cruz do to get arrested prior?
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Reply #71 - 04/28/18 at 07:09:24
 
He had stolen property in his locker.
It was taken from him
And Labeled
Found property.
He threatened others.
He threw things.
He took bullets to school.
He carried multiple knives,
Because he sold them
At school

I read all of those things earlier.
Now, they are hard to find.
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Reply #72 - 04/28/18 at 09:35:59
 

 I know where I live a high school kid will not be arrested for having stolen property unless its over $1000, although I've seen as low as $500 and this is only a trip in to set a court date, no actual jail time.

 Maybe taking bullets to school would get a quick trip down to the station but none of the other stuff would get you arrested where I live, certainly throwing things is not worth adding another body to an overcrowded jail.  You would receive a citation to appear in court.

 Selling knives at school from what I've read is speculative as it was student statements, but maybe there's a police report on it.

 Maybe in FL they can incarcerate people easier than in CO.
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Reply #73 - 04/28/18 at 10:39:57
 
Looked like he had to bloody murder some people.

I'm not someone who gets
Visited
By the cops.
I Have been around people who got a Couple of visits.
They were promised that
Another
Visit
For whatever reason
WOULD result in an arrest.
His family was afraid.
But pretend the system
Did everything it could
To do things right.

While the F.B.I. admits they screwed up.
And any sentient being can evaluate the absolute lack of cops doing their job.

Because if the system is at fault
It CAN'T be
Gunz
And
Since we KNOW it's
Gunz
It's not a complete and fustercluck failure of the
System
So
Gunz
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Reply #74 - 04/28/18 at 15:58:41
 
FormerlyLostArtist wrote on 04/27/18 at 12:51:30:
 "... the OP is so obsessed that everything the media does is biased against conservative point of views that he's incensed enough by it to start a post here about it, trolling us into a gun control debate that he knows is useless and will change no ones mind on here.  except for them to cast judgement while declaring that if we do that to him he'd like a moderator to do something about it.  


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