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Reply #15 - 05/01/18 at 11:33:05
 
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Reply #16 - 05/01/18 at 14:54:44
 

 Our definition of pretend and its application are different.

 Teachers are not being required to pretend that a child is non-gender or male or female, they are required to use the term the child chooses.

 They can not be fired for accurately observing that a male child has chosen a female gender description.
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Reply #17 - 05/01/18 at 16:44:24
 
WHEN a person ignores facts and reality and performs
AS IF
Reality is NOT what Science SAYS it is,
They Are PRETENDING a different
Truth and Reality exist.
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Reply #18 - 05/02/18 at 06:03:37
 

 Agreed.

 The children are pretending, or the guy in the woman's bathroom is.

 I believe government workers and teachers are asked to follow policy, but they are free to know and acknowledge that the persons in said policy are not what the policy may say they are.
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Reply #19 - 05/02/18 at 06:26:49
 
So, policy is
You must ignore the science, say what you are told to say, in spite of the obvious TRUTH that it's a Lie.
Or else.

But republicans are tyrants.

Got it.
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Reply #20 - 05/02/18 at 09:36:10
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/02/18 at 06:26:49:
So, policy is
You must ignore the science, say what you are told to say, in spite of the obvious TRUTH that it's a Lie.
Or else.

But republicans are tyrants.

Got it.


LOL The left are science deniers when it's suits them.   Grin

BTW, how does that apply to sports and locker rooms?
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Reply #21 - 05/02/18 at 10:35:33
 
 I don't look at company policies as being Republican or Democrat, they are just policies.

 As for the science portion it should specifically be called "biological" science as social science would not classify all biological males as such psychologically.

 The policies are being interpreted biologically in this case so it makes sense that it is indeed a man in a woman's restroom.

"BTW, how does that apply to sports and locker rooms?"

 If a biologically male child identifies as a female and requests to be called "she" then while that child is in a male locker room the teachers are to call that child "she" when referencing gender towards that child.  The locker room walls do not change the child's perception of identity.

 If a biologically female child is playing baseball and identifies as male and requests to be called "him" then coaches would have to reference the child as such when referencing gender towards that child.  Being in baseball doesn't change the policy.
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Reply #22 - 05/02/18 at 10:56:31
 
And when Bubba becomes Booba and she has a distinct advantage in her chosen sport?
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Reply #23 - 05/02/18 at 14:46:29
 
Eegore wrote on 05/02/18 at 10:35:33:
 I don't look at company policies as being Republican or Democrat, they are just policies.  As for the science portion it should specifically be called "biological" science as social science would not classify all biological males as such psychologically. The policies are being interpreted biologically in this case so it makes sense that it is indeed a man in a woman's restroom. "BTW, how does that apply to sports and locker rooms?" If a biologically male child identifies as a female and requests to be called "she" then while that child is in a male locker room the teachers are to call that child "she" when referencing gender towards that child.  The locker room walls do not change the child's perception of identity.  If a biologically female child is playing baseball and identifies as male and requests to be called "him" then coaches would have to reference the child as such when referencing gender towards that child.  Being in baseball doesn't change the policy.



If a biologically male child identifies as a female and requests to be called "she" then while that child is in a male locker room the teachers  are to call that child "she" when referencing gender towards that child.  The locker room walls do not change the child's perception of identity.


So in the above, the Coach/Teacher says:
“Hey, Tom, D ick, Harry, and oh, Sue, come over here”.
      (To discuss some aspect of the game)
Perhaps the Coach/Teacher, will keep a straight face, but the Rest ?

If a biologically female child is playing baseball and identifies as male and requests to be called "him" then coaches would have to reference the child as such when referencing gender towards that child.  Being in baseball doesn’t change the policy.

Same thing as above, except:
“Hey, Sue, Nancy, Sally, Rita, and oh, D ick, come over here”
Don’t know, (in the above one), ‘which’ locker room the female, who ‘pretends’ they are a boy uses.
Gee, Hope it’s not the, Boys   LOLOLLOO
   (Won’t be a lota Baseball talked about)

Oh, but remember, ANY student, (Heaven forbid a Teacher), Laughs.
    They would be,  a  BULLY  !!!!!!!

And will be dealt with Just like Any Other BULLY.
      That is,   ‘A Firm Talking To '!

And of course, if the Person, Being Bulled,
“””FINALLY”””,  Hits the  Bully Back.
   Well then it is so Very Clear,
     that the ‘Bully’ is Now the Victim !

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Reply #24 - 05/02/18 at 20:01:27
 
Eegore wrote on 05/02/18 at 10:35:33:
 I don't look at company policies as being Republican or Democrat, they are just policies.

 As for the science portion it should specifically be called "biological" science as social science would not classify all biological males as such psychologically.

 The policies are being interpreted biologically in this case so it makes sense that it is indeed a man in a woman's restroom.

"BTW, how does that apply to sports and locker rooms?"

 If a biologically male child identifies as a female and requests to be called "she" then while that child is in a male locker room the teachers are to call that child "she" when referencing gender towards that child.  The locker room walls do not change the child's perception of identity.

 If a biologically female child is playing baseball and identifies as male and requests to be called "him" then coaches would have to reference the child as such when referencing gender towards that child.  Being in baseball doesn't change the policy.



Policy is not law.
Stupid PC BULLSHIT isn't reason
Science is
He is NOT FEMALE.
I don't care how
He
With scrotum, testicles and thingy
FEELS.
it's not female
It's a confused male
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Reply #25 - 05/03/18 at 03:18:30
 
Back in the 1980s you could get kits to make your 280z or Fiero into a Ferrari look alike.

But really, no matter what you did  to it, it would Never be a real Ferrari.

Again if unless you were born with both or none of the  parts (very rare)  you just can't change. (and is it really changing?)
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Reply #26 - 05/03/18 at 05:55:40
 
 I agree that a male child identifying as a female is a confused child.

 I also agree that biologically that child is male, however I also agree that psychologically the line isn't as clearly defined.

 For instance one thing I've always wondered was why psychologists are not required to look at the organ they are treating.  Some psych issues are due to physical and chemical brain changes.

 In any case I do believe that we can psychologically believe in things that do not exist, (hallucination, voices, multiple personality, etc.) and therefore I do think that males can believe they are psychologically a woman.  Just as I've seen some that think they are Jesus, King of England, and a glass of water.

 I don't think we should stop assessment of a person at the biological makeup of a human body.  I also think its ok to have policy that reflects the values of the company, or the employees, but I have yet to see one that won't allow employees to accurately observe a person's gender.
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Reply #27 - 05/03/18 at 08:19:10
 
Eegore wrote on 05/03/18 at 05:55:40:
 I agree that a male child identifying as a female is a confused child.   I also agree that biologically that child is male, however I also agree that psychologically the line isn't as clearly defined.  For instance one thing I've always wondered was why psychologists are not required to look at the organ they are treating.  Some psych issues are due to physical and chemical brain changes.  In any case I do believe that we can psychologically believe in things that do not exist, (hallucination, voices, multiple personality, etc.) and therefore I do think that males can believe they are psychologically a woman.  Just as I've seen some that think they are Jesus, King of England, and a glass of water.  I don't think we should stop assessment of a person at the biological makeup of a human body.  I also think its ok to have policy that reflects the values of the company, or the employees, but I have yet to see one that won't allow employees to accurately observe a person's gender.


"... I don’t think we should stop assessment of a person at the biological makeup of a human body..."


This statement, says  Volumes !

     Two different scenarios.
A Male, ‘identifies’, as a Female.  Because they, ‘Control’, the people who Allow them to,  go into the opposite sex bathrooms/dressing rooms/locker rooms/etc.  They get that, ‘control’, by subversion persuading people to ‘allow’ it.
A person can be dressed as a stereotype Male in Western culture, and go into any, bathroom/dressing room/locker room, they want to. (In Gov. place or some Private places), and ALL they have to say is:  “I Identify as …”.

A Male, ‘identifies’, (And dresses as), as a Female. They have to use the bathroom. They go in, use the stall, do their business, then leave. No One bothers them. (Well perhaps someone thinks, ‘was that a a Adams apple’?) They do Not, think of going into a place, where their, ‘pretending’, would be exposed.

Now, what is the difference, or Consensus.  

One, ‘pretending’, will do his/her business, and that is all they are thinking of doing. Because even if, someone, would, ’suspect’, something, they would do nothing about it.  And the, ‘Pretender’  Knows this.  So they will rarely, Very Rarely, do something wrong.

One, ‘pretending’, will, maybe, do his/her business. However, Because, their is a LAW, saying if they, ‘identify’, they CAN.
They have More opportunity, (and have), to do something, ‘wrong’.
Also, a person, who is NOT, ‘Pretending’, is added to the mix, because they know, their is a LAW, ‘Allowing’ them to, ‘Pretend’.
Wonder what a reason could be, for a person, who is not a pretender, but knows that they CAN pretend, to pretend, to be a pretender.

"... I don’t think we should stop assessment of a person at the biological makeup of a human body..."


What about a persons, ‘Mind’, makeup ?
The above says clearly, that if the, “…biological makeup of a human body…”
Is a Male, than, “…I don’t think we should stop assessment of a person…”

OK, so given the choice:
One person is, Given, a Free 18 hole round of Golf, with 3 other people that they enjoy company with, with Free golf cart, with Free (top of the line) Clubs.
Another one is, Given a Free, 3 hours on a range, given free, use of a firearm, given free, ammo/targets, and has 3 other people that they enjoy company with.

Admittedly, their will be more people that would choose the first, over the second.

YET, if someone would choose the second over the first. They are Shunned’, ‘Despised’, they Must be, …, …, …, etc.  And saying that is absolute, perfectly, all right.

    Now, let’s ask, what %, of people, ‘Pretend’,
         and have a LAW, protecting them,
           so they can, ‘pretend’,  more?
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Reply #28 - 05/03/18 at 08:41:17
 
Your examples are so convoluted as to be incomprehensible...

Just ask the question.  Undecided

Are you asking,.. "What if a guy fakes it to get a peep show?"... Huh
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Reply #29 - 05/03/18 at 08:43:36
 
Just as I've seen some that think they are Jesus, King of England, and a glass of water.  I don't think we should stop assessment of a person at the biological makeup of a human body.

Ohhh, AbsOlutely,,
Sometimes they are mentally ill..
And the environment and the hormone mimicking crap, sure, I EXPECT a few goofballs,,,

But
DON'T TELL ME I have to CALL a man by female pronoun.
Ignernt sumbitch is gonna be the first woman ever kicked in the nads.
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