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05/10/18 at 09:13:46
 
        WOW, That’s  Hypocrisy.
Wanting to get rid of and/or seriously restrict the 2nd,
which protects her right to this kind of total Stupidity !
http://ew.com/books/2018/05/10/chelsea-clinton-start-now-announcemnet/

Chelsea Clinton
to publish children’s book
for young activists,
      Start Now!

             GOLLLLEEEEY   GEEEEEEEEEEE,
 Dem dare 7-10 years olds, sure do no a lot bout things.
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Reply #1 - 05/10/18 at 09:19:52
 
The second amendment protects her right to publish children's books?...


Does it protect my right to make toast?...  Grin Grin Grin
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Every right we enjoy is protected by
The Second Amendment.
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That's why toast is illegal in France.... Grin
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Reply #4 - 05/10/18 at 13:10:36
 
Serowbot wrote on 05/10/18 at 09:19:52:
The second amendment protects her right to publish children's books?...


            That’s a Joke, Right ?
             A  ‘Drive By’ Right ?

You really think, the thoughts/words of a person,
whether it is in a Newspaper, Web, Radio, TV, Soapbox,
                 Or a Book.
      Is protected by a,  “SIGN” ??????????

     (Have you, Ever, read. ‘Fahrenheit 451’ ?)

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Reply #5 - 05/10/18 at 14:43:58
 
That's why there are no books in France... Grin
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 I agree with Serowbots points here, there an awfully lot of countries that share freedom of press that do not have anything like the second amendment.  Its a comparative reasoning and I hear it from people that live in other countries all the time.

 In theory we can say that the government in the US only allows freedom of press because if they didn't the citizens would rise up, with their owned firearms and overthrow the government, however nothing like this has happened.  (and yes there's the complete government overtaking where Americans are marched off to FEMA death camps etc. etc. but I am talking strictly removal of Freedom of Press only)

 I feel we would still have freedom of press simply because there is so much money in modern media.  Second Amendment as far as I can tell has nothing to do with it now.
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Serowbot wrote on 05/10/18 at 12:25:46:
That's why toast is illegal in France.... Grin


Without a second amendment
If someone did outlaw something that was ridiculous to outlaw
WHAT THE FUKK WOULD YOU DO ABOUT IT?
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"Without a second amendment
If someone did outlaw something that was ridiculous to outlaw
WHAT THE FUKK WOULD YOU DO ABOUT IT?"


 Seriously that's what I was just talking about.  Other countries deal with this and its not by marching with personally owned firearms and starting a civil war with their government.  That's less and less reasonable every year.

 More countries have Freedom of Press and assembly that do not have anything like the 2nd Amendment than ones that do.  There aren't massacres, enslavement, mass outlawing of anything etc. etc.

 Very few people in the US will carry guns to a capital and threaten to overthrow if they outlawed toasters, or specific capacity magazines just like they did in CO.  The National Guard didn't come into towns gunning down US citizens and citizens didn't go gunning down government officials.  

 Why didn't we use our 2nd Amendment to resolve all these real issues like the laws surrounding the 2008/2009 bailouts?  Why didn't we use it to stop the individual mandate for healthcare?  Why don't we use it to stop the FCC from severely altering our communications options?

 These are questions people who resolve issues in their countries ask since they don't have a 2nd Amendment and they aren't criminally oppressed, and they still run election based systems.  There's a lot of data supporting the ability to change and influence government without individual firearm ownership.  

 I bet in France if they outlawed toasters nobody would say "Gee if we only had guns we could overthrow our government and get our toasters back"
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Perhaps one needs to be more, Specific.

A Book, is in a group of, things, covered by, ‘…Freedom of Speech...". So a, ‘book’ even though, it is comprised of words, printed on paper, and bound together, (and now a  electronic Facsimile of,  on a ‘reading’ device or a computer). Is simply a POV of that person. Clearly under the,  ‘…Freedom of Speech…”.  To say, ‘…freedom of press…”  is  just one Part, of the overall,  ‘…Freedom of Speech…”.


Now for the, ‘freedom’ of, ‘Books’  which has now been chained to, ‘press’.  Just go to your favorite browser, and type in: ‘Book Banning In France’.  Or, 'Book Banning'. Then read the various sights, and their, POV. (Gonna do that again on a Rainy Nasty Day) You will find statements like below, and they are Very Interesting. (Didn’t find anything about France Banning Toast though !)
“…In 2016, a television ad which advocated that babies with Down Syndrome shouldn't be aborted solely because of their syndrome ran. It was ruled anti-abortion speech and removed….”
“…Most recently, several acts ordered by Nicolas Sarkozy, then-Interior Minister and former President of the Republic (until 2012), have been criticized as forms of censorship…”
“…Libraries sometimes avoid purchasing controversial books, and the personal opinions of librarians have at times impacted book selection….”
“…2010 was a difficult year for Internet freedom in France. The offices of several online media firms and their journalists were targeted for break-ins and court summons and pressured to identify their sources. As a result, France has been added to Reporters Without Borders list of "Countries Under Surveillance"...”
“…On 14 October 2011 a French court ordered French Internet service providers to block the Copwatch Nord Paris I-D-F website. The website shows pictures and videos of police officers arresting suspects, taunting protesters and allegedly committing acts of violence against members of ethnic minorities….”
“…April 2013 DCRI forced the deletion of the article when it summoned a volunteer with administrator's access to the French language Wikipedia and ordered him to take down the article that had been online since 2009. DCRI claimed the article contained classified military information and broke French law….”

          ETC/ETC/ETC/ETC/ETC/ETC

Found these  Very Interesting:
“…Orwell,  (Animal House), found that no publisher would print the book, due to its criticism of the USSR, an important ally of Britain in the War. Once published, the book was banned in the USSR and other communist countries. In 2002, the novel was banned in the schools of the United Arab Emirates, because it contained text or images that goes against Islamic values…”

(Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland      Lewis Carroll)
“…The censor General Ho Chien believed that attributing human language to animals was an insult to humans. He feared that the book would teach children to regard humans and animals on the same level, which would be “disastrous”…"

So Interesting, because that is  Exactly what Walt Disney did, (Well Known Anti-Gun) with ‘Bambi”.  It started a generation of kids to identify that, ‘Bambi’, was a Sentient being, because it could ’talk/think’. So those kids, grew up teaching their kids, “Oh ya Can’t Hunt  ‘Bambi’. Then those kids grew up, teaching their kids, ‘Guns Are Bad’, simply because they had NO association with them.

“…At present, the Bible has been banned in Saudi Arabia. In a number of countries, bible translation, distribution, sale or promotion is prohibited or made difficult, and the Bible may be considered extremist materials…”

(Catch -22) “…Banned in several US states: in 1972, it was banned in Strongsville, Ohio (overturned in 1976)…”

( Doctor Zhivago) ”…Banned in the Soviet Union until 1988 for criticizing life in Russia after the Russian Revolution. When its author, Boris Pasternak, won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1958 he was forced to reject it under government pressure.…”

(Remember the, ‘The Satanic Verses’, by Salman Rushdie)
“… led to their author having a death warrant put on the author’s head. In fact, few modern books have as bloody a publication history. As a result of this book,  had to go into hiding for an entire decade after Iran’s Ayatollah issued a fatwa, a fatwa that also led to the death of Rushdie’s Japanese translator. Decried by many in the Muslim world for its apparent blasphemy, it was burned in the streets in Britain and around the Islamic world….”

That’s enough, I could spend Hours reading this.  It is Fascinating History. But alas, the dew is off the grass, time to climb on the lawn mower.  

The point is, no one has marched to Capital Hill with a gun. Yet, books that, ‘were’, banned here, are now NOT, banned, due to people raising their voices and giving their POV. Which, someone, CAN NOT, say: ‘ you will do this, or you will be shipped off to North Montana in Winter simply because I said so’.
            Because Of  ???????????

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Reply #10 - 05/11/18 at 14:50:02
 
Eegore wrote on 05/11/18 at 03:48:48:
 The National Guard didn't come into towns gunning down US citizens ..."   
 (From Post 8)
        That, again, is  Precisely, the Point !
                    Because of, What ???????

AND, What was that that, STOPPED, the Overrun, (By the Government), of Tax Paying Citizens in the 2014 Bundy standoff. Where the Government, after YEARS  of  Lying, and NOT, following their OWN  rules. The case was DISMISSED.

   
   It's NOT, a theory !

Some say, we must be Civilized, like Other Nations.
  Therefore this country does NOT  need a  1st or 2nd.

A question is, does, ‘Civilized’, mean that the government can say:
‘Sit Down, STFU, and NO  you can NOT, take your child elsewhere for care, and we will SPEND, a Tremendous amount of other peoples money, to Force you to Stay Right where you are’

Does,  ‘Civilized’ mean a Government saying:  We don’t need to spend any money on defense, because someone else does it for US

Does,  ‘Civilized’ mean a Government saying: ‘I don’t care that you just paid 500.00 for that gun. We are Going to Take It Away, and give you 50.00, so you, ‘Will’, be happy’

Does,  ‘Civilized’ mean a Government saying: ‘We have Plenty of your money, to feed/house/fix, refugees, and completely change, our lifestyle, for people that have never done anything for this country and never will’

Does,  ‘Civilized’ mean a Government saying: ‘Everybody has, ‘FREE’  H.C., and it works for your broken leg just fine.  But the latest treatment for Cancer, we just can’t afford

Does,  ‘Civilized’ mean": A Government Monarch, has a ’Secret’ meeting with a P.M.  Every Week, and,  NO  ONE,  knows what is said  

                 And On and On  and On it goes.




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 As with every gun debate ever, we can circular reason our way around our positions by cherry-picking facts that suppot our views.  

 My point is that people who live in other countries do not see how our 2nd Amendment is the reason why we have freedoms similar, as in not exactly the same, (for instance in France you can show a balloon thingy on network TV but that would never fly here type of similar) when they do not have a 2nd Amendment.

 I don't know how much time you guys spend outside the country working with others but its typically no less than 4 months annually for me, and in my experience most people don't feel more oppressed in their country than in the US.  

 We say the National Guard would have come and murdered thousands of people if we werent armed, and we all know thats not true.  Nobody would have enacted martial law over people throwing local politicians out of office because they acted against their constituents.  It wasnt the 2nd Amendment, its simply bad publicity, and terrible logistics to clean up that many bodies.
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[color=#0000ff] We say the National Guard would have come and murdered thousands of people if we werent armed, and we all know thats not true.  Nobody would have enacted martial law over people throwing local politicians out of office because they acted against their constituents.  It wasnt the 2nd Amendment, its simply bad publicity, and terrible logistics to clean up that many bodies.
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Eegore wrote on 05/11/18 at 16:14:14:
  As with every gun debate ever, we can circular reason our way around our positions by cherry-picking facts that suppot our views.    My point is that people who live in other countries do not see how our 2nd Amendment is the reason why we have freedoms similar, as in not exactly the same, (for instance in France you can show a balloon thingy on network TV but that would never fly here type of similar) when they do not have a 2nd Amendment.  I don't know how much time you guys spend outside the country working with others but its typically no less than 4 months annually for me, and in my experience most people don't feel more oppressed in their country than in the US.
 We say the National Guard would have come and murdered thousands of people if we werent armed, and we all know thats not true.  Nobody would have enacted martial law over people throwing local politicians out of office because they acted against their constituents.  It wasnt the 2nd Amendment, its simply bad publicity, and terrible logistics to clean up that many bodies.   

Last time I was, ‘cross the pond’, was when I was in the UK, at the big, CLA  ‘Game Fair’, about 15 years ago.

However over the last 50 years, visiting various Gun Shops, gun shows, ranges, gun clubs, competitions. Owning a brick & Mortar gun shop, and working in various ones, have had some experience in, talking to people from different Nations.

And every one, was just,  WOWED, with the Freedom, ‘GUNS’, had in America.  This included  UK, AU, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Ukraine, Spain, Portugal, and of course, Canada and Mexico.  Lately, it is internet, ‘boards/forums’, like this one, which are Gun Orientated, which open up discussions to all, but most are, from the USA.  On One, a person was talking about, and asking if anyone else was doing the same thing, about crafting a certain shell for a certain use. I had done something very slimier 15 years ago, have refined it and adapted it to other cartridges.  Offered to send a couple of, EMPTY, cartridge cases, to this fellow who was working on this project., (they would have made his work easier), He declined, because he was from Brazil, and just Possessing that EMPTY Un-Primed case, (if caught), would put him in Jail.

So I would like to see, the list of countries you say, the residents of, see no difference between where they live, and the USA, because of the 2nd Adm., and the Firearm, sports/competitions/recreations, they engage in.

Granted, if they are Not ‘gun’ people. They may not see a difference. But that would be like saying, ‘Eric Holder’, only wants to protect your freedom.
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 Primarily Japan but also in order of most recent documented conversations:

UK
Ireland
Germany
Norway
Sweden
Brazil
Peru
Argentina
Chile

 These are broken down into individuals in which I have had direct contact in their country on more than 8 occasions for a duration of more than 60 days.  I left out places I have not been to such as Australia although I know people there that do not think the 2nd Amendment is directly correlated with our modern day media rights and content or "Freedom of Press".

 There was no direct discussion regarding gun support from each individual as the topic was regarding modern media and if they believed that without a 2nd Amendment that US citizens would not have a Freedom of Press.  I can ask them each if they are "gun supporters" and clarify that is the individual ownership of firearms in the home.
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