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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #75 - 05/24/18 at 09:56:08 not, who knows if he'll actually give up power, he seems to think he's king here, Wow...
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Reply #76 - 05/24/18 at 10:01:28

WebsterMark:
How can anyone argue against the points in this article? Go ahead, I dare you.

One of the best takeaways is fact that over past couple decades more guns have been sold but gun crimes have actually gone down.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/05/23/guns-dont-kill-people-gun-bans/

ALSO WebsterMark:

Bottom line, more guns did not equal more gun deaths. Now, did the greater number of guns directly influence less gun deaths over those decades? Not sure. Had there been fewer guns, would there have been even fewer gun deaths? Not sure.

looks like you did a good job of arguing his points right there...

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Reply #78 - 05/24/18 at 10:04:44

LostArtist wrote on 05/24/18 at 09:52:15:

WebsterMark wrote on 05/24/18 at 09:07:53:

Bottom line, more guns did not equal more gun deaths. Now, did the greater number of guns directly influence less gun deaths over those decades? Not sure. Had there been fewer guns, would there have been even fewer gun deaths? Not sure.

here, read this: www.anncoulter.com yea, I know, it's Coulter, but read her latest column anyway.

no, sorry, Coulter gets none of my respect or clicks or views, she's extreme in the worst ways, I'm not asking you to read Pelosi or any of those, so no way

You're missing out.

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Reply #79 - 05/24/18 at 10:14:34

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/18 at 09:56:08:

not, who knows if he'll actually give up power, he seems to think he's king here,

Wow...

what? He's been assaulting the Intelligence Communities, the FBI since he got in office, He's been using the office of president for his own personal gain, maybe he's just king light right now....

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Reply #80 - 05/24/18 at 10:17:57

WebsterMark wrote on 05/24/18 at 10:03:51:

huh?

Now, did the greater number of guns directly influence less gun deaths over those decades? Not sure. Had there been fewer guns, would there have been even fewer gun deaths? Not sure.

the whole argument of that article is that MORE GUNS make us SAFER

here you say that maybe less guns would have made us even safer yet.....

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Reply #81 - 05/24/18 at 10:36:24

He's being scientifically honest.
What is known?
Guns increased
Gun crime didn't
What WOULD have happened had guns not increased?
It's Not Knowable.

What DIDN'T happen
Was the predictable lefty
More Guns equal more crime.
So,
Wrong again

Every time you people are wrong you drop that issue and move on to another, where you stomp and demand YOUR idea be adopted and you're so certain you're right. It's as if you've never been Wrong.
Remember when it was proposed to allow CC in establishment that sell alcohol?
Gonna be Blood in the Streets!
Them rednecks in Texas are gonna be shooting people for fun.

Remember your hysteria?

Nothing happened.

If anyone actually believed legislation to make guns illegal in a school would protect people from someone
Who wants to MURDER PEOPLE, they have lost the right to tell us how to fix what they so idiotically thought was a reasonable solution.

Arm the adults who want to get the training and carry.
Why should a teacher NOT be allowed to defend themselves?
Why? Why strip them of their Right to self defense?
Because
Gunz!

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Reply #82 - 05/24/18 at 10:37:14

Yes. Maybe. Maybe not.

But....open the links in the article about the number of criminal acts prevented because the potential victim were able to defend themselves.
So now you've got a 'prevented number'.

Now guess a number that would have been prevented with fewer guns to begin . Which is bigger? Keep in mind that very few violent gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners so by reducing the number of guns as a whole, it seems logically that you're disproportionally reducing the number of preventable crimes by legal gun owners.

Right?

and if you would read Ann Coulter's column today, she

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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Wild wild west... Reply #83 - 05/24/18 at 10:39:23 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/18 at 09:56:08: not, who knows if he'll actually give up power, he seems to think he's king here, Wow... this is a quote from Trump “I have an absolute right to do what I want to with the Justice Department.” that doesn't scare you? he's threatening the independence of the Justice Department.
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Reply #84 - 05/24/18 at 10:42:54

Keep in mind that very few violent gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners so by reducing the number of guns as a whole, it seems logically that you're disproportionally reducing the number of preventable crimes by legal gun owners.

Criminals, murderous morons, don't CARE about laws.
Law abiding citizens do.
Laws that remove guns from society can only result in fewer armed good guys.

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Reply #85 - 05/24/18 at 10:54:22

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/18 at 10:36:24:

He's being scientifically honest.
What is known?
Guns increased
Gun crime didn't
What WOULD have happened had guns not increased?
It's Not Knowable.

What DIDN'T happen
Was the predictable lefty
More Guns equal more crime.
So,
Wrong again

Every time you people are wrong you drop that issue and move on to another, where you stomp and demand YOUR idea be adopted and you're so certain you're right. It's as if you've never been Wrong.
Remember when it was proposed to allow CC in establishment that sell alcohol?
Gonna be Blood in the Streets!
Them rednecks in Texas are gonna be shooting people for fun.

Remember your hysteria?

Nothing happened.

My hysteria?? go quote me MY hysteria... or are you talking about some "evil liberal" in your head?

oh, and that's because it's still illegal, at least in Texas it is, to carry a gun into a bar that makes 51% of it's profits off of alcohol sales alone, that hasn't changed. and for the most part, bars are fairly peaceful places, there's not a lot of fighting and confrontations at bars, not that I've seen anyway, I'm sure there's a few

If anyone actually believed legislation to make guns illegal in a school would protect people from someone
Who wants to MURDER PEOPLE, they have lost the right to tell us how to fix what they so idiotically thought was a reasonable solution.

I've already told you I agree with you on this, so why the hostility??? But at the same time, a community, a private business owner, a home owner, etc.. has the right to not want guns on their property, do they not? or do you want to strip them of that right

Arm the adults who want to get the training and carry.
Why should a teacher NOT be allowed to defend themselves?
Why? Why strip them of their Right to self defense?
Because
Gunz!

who are you arguing with???? I'm for educated gun control, Although I think it might be wise for those teachers who want to defend students and themselves to be identified in some way, so that when the cops show up they don't shoot the teacher by mistake, a uniform maybe? And those teachers need more training than just the CCL training right?

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Reply #86 - 05/24/18 at 10:58:41

this is a quote from Trump

“I have an absolute right to do what I want to with the Justice Department.”

that doesn't scare you? he's threatening the independence of the Justice Department.

The Justice Department is not independent. It reports 100% to the authority of the President. The President can tell them to drop any investigation they have going on. He can tell them to investigate anything he wants them to. They are subordinate to the President.

We say justice applies to everyone equally but there is one person Constitutionally outside of this; one person different than the rest of us and that is the President.

Now, the moderator to that is impeachment. The Constitution gives the President protection from justice but counters this with impeachment. If you think about it, it makes complete sense.

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Reply #87 - 05/24/18 at 11:09:26

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/24/18 at 10:42:54:

Keep in mind that very few violent gun crimes are committed by legal gun owners so by reducing the number of guns as a whole, it seems logically that you're disproportionally reducing the number of preventable crimes by legal gun owners.

why does this seem logical? with this logic, by reducing the number of guns as a whole, it seems equally logical that you'd be disproportionally reducing the number of crimes (or any action by a gun) committed by guns period.

Criminals, murderous morons, don't CARE about laws.

no, but their enablers might

Law abiding citizens do.
Laws that remove guns from society can only result in fewer armed good guys.

no, laws that remove guns from society REMOVE GUNS FROM SOCIETY

it might also result in fewer toddlers shooting their family members, or accidents at a gun range, or accidents at home.... or keeping guns out of the hands of the poorly educated who can't pass the test to get a gun... or or or or or.....

I'm not for banning guns, but I am for making them a bit harder to get, you know, to make sure that the GOOD guys are the ones getting the guns,

yeah yeah yeah, I know ANARCHY!!! the bad guys will always get guns!!!,

well, how do they get guns? they steal them from good guys, they get good guys to buy them for them, they just buy them from an unknown good or bad guy, some bad guys want guns for the same reason good guys do, for their own protection. (so if less good guys have guns.. then less bad guys get guns) that is assuming our background check system actually works and the greed of gun dealers doesn't override their civic duties.....

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Reply #88 - 05/24/18 at 11:23:56

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I don't speak any "crazy liberal" ideas in public where I am, I don't speak about politics in the open, I've seen the many, many, many bumper stickers and signs in the yard around my area. you might live in a moderate or even liberal area, but I DO NOT, and with the authoritarian attitude of the current administration and those that support him, I take no risks.

I've got to admit that I find that level of paranoia astonishing. Do you really believe that you are at risk of physical harm from Conservatives?

I'm curious about where the heck it is you live, but I won't ask.

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Cheer up. I don't think you're in much danger of being locked up.

maybe, maybe not, who knows if he'll actually give up power, he seems to think he's king here, so if anyone asks you, my name is Joe Sandwich... really, it is...

Trump will give up power when someone else wins the next election, or when his second term is up, whichever happens to be the case, just like every other President has.

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Reply #89 - 05/24/18 at 12:52:37

oldNslow wrote on 05/24/18 at 11:23:56:

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I don't speak any "crazy liberal" ideas in public where I am, I don't speak about politics in the open, I've seen the many, many, many bumper stickers and signs in the yard around my area. you might live in a moderate or even liberal area, but I DO NOT, and with the authoritarian attitude of the current administration and those that support him, I take no risks.

I've got to admit that I find that level of paranoia astonishing. Do you really believe that you are at risk of physical harm from Conservatives?

I'm curious about where the heck it is you live, but I won't ask.

maybe that was a bit of an overstatement, but I do not talk politics in public. Even when I'm with my friends I get nervous when one of them brings up politics in public. I don't need 10 conservatives jumping down my throat and screaming at me

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Cheer up. I don't think you're in much danger of being locked up.

maybe, maybe not, who knows if he'll actually give up power, he seems to think he's king here, so if anyone asks you, my name is Joe Sandwich... really, it is...

Trump will give up power when someone else wins the next election, or when his second term is up, whichever happens to be the case, just like every other President has.

sure he will.... just like a lot of conservatives thought Obama was going to enact Marshal Law to maintain his power...

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