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I guess they Used to know (Read 330 times)
Eegore
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Reply #75 -
06/10/18 at 08:46:00
"I believe it would be real simple.
Tell the Teachers to, TEACH, the TRUTH.
Not their personal opinion"
So they are told that, and their Union counters with many documents from historians that have for years debated the accuracy of the "well regulated militia" as a standard meaning "all free US citizens" and now it goes to court.
What if the very administration that is responsible for firing these teachers doesn't agree? Fire them too, and if the local municipal court doesn't agree, recall the judges, the state supreme court doesn't agree, recall them too.
I don't in any capacity think "telling" all teachers in the entire US to do something is going to be easy. You cant just tell people to do something, nationwide, that isn't agreed to be fact, has no laws anywhere dictating it as such and then put their state funded jobs on the line That's illegal. Look at the disaster "theory of evolution" has been.
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06/10/18 at 08:55:22
"If someone suffers from confusion about the militia part, all that is necessary is asking
Did they write a SELF CONTRADICTORY amendment?"
Not everyone agrees that "well regulated militia" means all citizens - that's it, that is what is happening and no amount of asking the above question changes that. In court that didnt hold up. The first and foremost argument contradictory to this is that there wasn't a single US court ruling in favor of the "all citizens" philosophy until 2008.
There is literally hundreds of articles about this, and its one of the primary arguments that has
already been used
in legislation to control firearms types and ammunition capacities.
Its already been done, and yet you say ask X question and the problem is solved. Historically this is inaccurate, as there are documents that debate, with success, that "well regulated militia" does not mean "all free US citizens" by todays standards.
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Reply #77 -
06/10/18 at 09:20:31
everyone agrees that "well regulated militia" means all citizens - that's it, that is wh
Just because not everyone agrees doesn't mean It needs to be changed.
They need to be taught
I've seen people who are confused about things.
I'm talking TO people Here.
You can agree with my point or not.
I want You to tell me why what I said isn't a rational point.
How is it possible to NOT see what I said?
And I can't be responsible for the millions of wrongly Taught .
I'm explaining HOW to explain what is being said in the second amendment.
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06/10/18 at 10:14:47
I understand that but I have not seen it done with success.
Hence the current lean towards more firearms type and ammunition controls, and the signs etc. Even the NRA pulled it from their education, and their print material for so long. It wasn't working. A big part of that is because people no longer think they are the militia, and the largest contributor to that is that they can no longer match the government in firepower.
Personal firearms are no longer, to most people, a guarantee against arbitrary government.
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06/10/18 at 11:10:06
understand that but I have not seen it done with success.
Really? I'm the only person I have seen say what I said. Nobody taught me that.
In fact, arguing here caused it to gel.
So, when students are unable to understand Algebra, which answer applies?
How does being in a vulnerable position somehow mean you're not on the team?
I really don't agree with you on changing the wording.
Teaching the truth is much better IMO.
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06/10/18 at 13:19:02
Algebra has distinct wrong and right measurable answers. Algebra as a whole can be taught as a right/wrong answer system as the results can be verified. I would consider teaching algebra easy in comparison to say teaching philosophy, or Christianity.
The problem is that people don't accept the truth as it conflicts with their interpretation or education, It is not as easily measured, or universally accepted as mathematics.
I'm ok leaving the wording, I just don't expect people to subscribe to the idea that it applies to them as the application has changed so much.
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