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Reply #15 - 06/14/18 at 08:07:38
 
 I think a lot of this has to do with Dorsey choosing to be CEO of a company that puts him in the spotlight.  Eating where you want without anyone caring is out the window, his career choice eliminates that.  

 A lot of his actions will be criticized because its easier to look at what other people do than to look at what we do ourselves.  That is after all how celebrity media makes money.
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Reply #16 - 06/14/18 at 08:58:18
 
"... It’s all silly, enjoy your food"  Grin

Boycotting, Probably something personal.
And it may be, ‘can something be done’.

Mac&D’s, I Haven’t been their for, 10 + years now, after they dropped a chicken sandwich on the floor, scooped it back up, and gave it to me. I wrote the Corporate office, told them what happened, they, and the store, sent me coupons for free, B.M. Meals. One day I walked into the store, and just passed out the 4 of them to strangers standing in line. Won’t change anything,  but not shouting it from the roof tops.  When on the road, I stop at a different place.

When on the road, and need gas, I stop at a gas station,  (In most places outside of MN, it is pay at the pump, or pre-pay inside),  When I walk in to pre-pay, I see the sign, ’No Guns In Here”, I pull out my wallet, hand a card to a person behind the counter and tell them to give it to his/her, Management.  Walk back outside, get in the car, and drive to the Next gas station.
The card says, “You have the Right to Ban Guns, I have the Right Not to spend money here”.  Now 2-3-4 States away, does it matter, most probably not, that card hits the ‘round’ file, as soon as the door shuts. Then never saw me before, and will not again, and they just don’t care.
However, Local, I have seen 4 signs come down, BECAUSE, many more people, are doing the same thing.
Still do it, Personal, Not shouting from the rooftops.

D icks Sporting goods.   One here in Mpls, have been in the store couple of times,  never spend any money, because their was nothing their that interested me.  Now, after their recent, ‘gun banning’, I will not spend any money their, and I believe, they will NOT, make any money on and firearm accessories they may have left, simply  because they don’t have those customers.  (The same as a fancy, frilly, exclusive dress store, putting in a line of Filson, Stormy Kromer warm Wool caps, and expecting to sell them)
Who knows.  Perhaps the ‘number cruncher's’, looked at the sq feet the, Firearms area was taking up. and decided their are different things that can take up that space, and make more profit.  And now, is the time to change, because of a recent event. And  the people they Want, to buy those things, are people that, don’t, want to buy firearms things. So the Media just gave them a bunch of  FREE advertising.

Their is a liquor store I didn’t go into, after the owner said he is supporting HRC, (he is out of business now, probably would have made it, if he kept his mouth shut). Their are a couple of restaurants I don’t go to, because it is Really  $hitty food. And a “Circle K”, in Ajo Az, I will Never step foot in again.

So, Boycotting ?  Where I was, Personally, wronged, or where, I believe my actions, may make a difference, or make one think. about the situation.
Yea, I do it.

A person, who will not go to a park, or swim/sail/fish/beach, because that person, owned Slaves, and that it is named after a former. V.P. who Dies 10 years before the War Between the States.  Well, I don’t think that will do anything, except take the Media Happy, so they can sell more ads.

So not, Spending money, at a place.
 Is it Boycotting, or a personal preference ?
   Not so simple. Will take many, Many hours in a boat fishing, to work out the details.
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Reply #17 - 06/14/18 at 09:21:30
 

 I think boycott is done as demonstration, protest or as punishment.  For those reasons specifically, not the myriad of other reasons that would fit into personal preference.

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Reply #18 - 06/14/18 at 09:48:53
 
Again, the POINT that nobody will address

it's GOOD to Force someone to Do what they don't Want to do, then it's GOOD!
Right?


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Reply #19 - 06/14/18 at 10:11:45
 
MSpring, does your choice to not support a business...
Make or break it....???
I think it satisfies your own need, more than accomplishing any great change on those who you hope to sway....
Sorta like peeing in the ocean  Grin

Jog, no one is forcing anybody, where do you leap to that assessment?
Shaming has been a means of manipulation since the early ages.
It has worked, that’s why it’s still around, however it’s as useless as tits on a man, unless you allow yourself to be manipulated by other mitigating factors
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Reply #20 - 06/14/18 at 10:28:58
 
WebsterMark wrote on 06/14/18 at 06:31:17:
For what its worth; I'm in Raleigh this week and purposely ate at Chic Filet twice.  

The whole point is Dorsey had to apologize for eating at one of the largest fast food restaurants. That's ridiculous.



I mostly agree with that, but in this case, he was using Chik-Fil-A as a promotional for his own company's pay pal like service, aka, he was representing his whole company  and promoting Chik-Fil-A at the same time.  So if Chik-Fil-A doesn't fit what he wants his company's image to be, he has a responsibility to be more careful in representing his company to his audience
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Reply #21 - 06/14/18 at 11:41:04
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/14/18 at 09:48:53:
Again, the POINT that nobody will address  it's GOOD to Force someone to Do what they don't Want to do, then it's GOOD!  Right?


    (The Long Answer)

That’s tough to answer. And the, ‘Forcing’ has a Lot to do with, a Political view.

Take a Co Rd here, the speed limit is 55,
Many on a stretch, (very straight and exc. sight for several miles),  drive 75.
Now, are they, ‘Forced’, to drive 55 ?
Or do they, ‘choose’, to Drive 75,
and  only if caught, ‘forced’, to pay the fine ?
(So the same with robbing a bank, etc. etc. etc,.)
That is a, ‘Law’.  People are forced to pay the penalty of breaking the law.
Not much Political their.
 
Now take humans with a D ick, If they ’Say’, the Magic words:
     “I Identify As a Girl”
Several Places, will Allow them to Pretend.
 (As it is a, LAW, to Allow, the Pretending)
So in this case, no one is, Forcing someone to, pretend.
Yet it is being, ‘Forced’, to ALLOW, the, ‘Pretending.
That, would be Political.

Two  examples, which can be expound on to fit many situations.

Here is a tricky one:
A State makes marijuana legal. 2 studies were done, one said, accidents rate went up, another said they were the same.
What they BOTH, failed to say: is One counted ONLY, “fatal crashes”. And the other counted ONLY, ‘minor accidents’.
Now, nobody, ‘Forced’ anyone to take marijuana, no one forced anyone to drive while taking marijuana.
No one, ‘forced a marijuana smoker, to be the cause of a Accident.
Other factors come into play, as to who was at fault, and why. One maybe marijuana, or may not.
And it will Depend on the Law.
NOT on the, PERSONAL, opinion of a person, liking or disliking, marijuana.
Like a Cake Baker, who was, FORCED, to believe the Personal Opinion, of people who liked someone of a particular sexual preference.
Just the SAME, as a, 'Forcing' a person smoking marijuana, who was in a accident, to, 'believe' the   personal opinion, of a person who does NOT  LIKE, marijuana, that marijuana the reason for the accident.

 ‘Force’,  does exist, yet I believe many times it is confused with choice.
Say I work in a government place, and I see what, (I believe), is a male Pedophile, going into a girls bathroom, just after a little girls goes in.
I am, ‘FORCED’ to do nothing about it, because it is the law.
  Can I do something about it?  (What I believe is right ?)
  Can I drive 75, when the sign says 55 ?
Say I am, ‘anti-gun’, (I know, I Know). Someone clearly has a gun, the place/state, all allows it, they walk into a Bank.
I am, ‘FORCED’ to do nothing about it, because it is the law.
  Can I do something about it?  (What I believe is right ?)
  Can I drive 75, when the sign says 55 ?
So, which one, if, ‘Forced’ to believe something thy do not believe in?
Clearly these are political, as two L/R, believers, will believe one or the other.
So, would it be forced ?

Then, Driving from point A to B.  Traffic Stops, and one is Stuck for Hours.
Don’t know why, but you are, ‘Forced’, to be stuck.
Now if it is a BLM Crying fest, No one is, Forcing you to believe the Criers.
Just as if it is a Major Accident, and a Helicopter has to land on the freeway,
No one is, ‘Forcing’, you to believe in Car Accidents.
Yet, Some, ‘Expect’, you to believe in one, not the other.

So, is one, ‘Forced’ to pay a % of money to the Government.
Or only if, ‘caught’ ?  (and a whole bunch of, like things)

Is someone, ‘forced’, to Believe, a, ‘Pretender’, No.
Is someone, ‘forced’, to Allow, a, ‘Pretender’, Yes.

"...it's GOOD to Force someone to Do what they don't Want to do, then it's GOOD! Right?..."

(The Short Answer)

   NO.
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Reply #22 - 06/14/18 at 11:51:45
 
“…MSpring, does your choice to not support a business… Make or break it …”

In most cases.. The cases where the, ’…No Guns…” signs were taken down.
Was it the result from, Me, Others, less business generally, all three. ?

“…I think it satisfies your own need, more than accomplishing any great change on those who you hope to sway…”

Yep, Not going to those places, affects them, the same amount as a speck of sand on a beach.

“…Sorta like peeing in the ocean…”

LOL, A Yea, like throwing a Match in a Bonfire, is DOES, change the Temperature of the fire, but who cares. LOL
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Reply #23 - 06/14/18 at 12:50:53
 
"Again, the POINT that nobody will address  it's GOOD to Force someone to Do what they don't Want to do, then it's GOOD!  Right? "

 No.  Of course as that sentence is put then it could include things like forcing someone to kill their child, or forcing someone to jump in front of a bus.  So no it is not good to force someone to do what they don't want to as that could be anything.  

 Also the answer is Yes.  It could include things like forcing a child murderer to go to prison, or driving lessons for a bus driver.  

 Specifically if you are asking if its good to force Dorsey to apologize then I would question exactly what "forced" means to you and how he was forced to do something.  I consider forced to mean grave bodily injury or death to himself or others if he did not comply.

 Are you asking should a CEO be forced to apologize in order to keep his job?
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Reply #24 - 06/14/18 at 21:37:28
 
Was it GOOD to try to FORCE the baker to make the cake?
Every lefty agreed he should.
I explained why it was wrong.
This guy buys a thinking SANDWICH and lefties go Bananas.
And why?
Because THEY don't go there.
And by GOD if you're a lefty,
You better not either.
Lefties are tyrants.
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Reply #25 - 06/15/18 at 04:44:23
 
Righties occasionally pull this stunt but but rarely. The owner of Scott Vest did an interview in which he said he advertises on Fox News because if their dumb enough to watch Fox, they'll believe anything we tell them. Unfortunately for him, a lot of business travelers use his vest so weren't too happy and he was forced to sell his shares and get out. That's rare.

The Dorsey thing was a little different as he felt he had to apologize because he mention Chick in a tweet. There was a hilarious article in a New York paper about a Chick opening in Manhatten and you'd have thought aliens had landed and opened a cafe. This one hard core leftie writer who was in the cool kids New York group as far as you could get, sounded like one of those National Geographic narrators talking about how lions live. The funniest part is he had no idea he sounded as if he were doing a comic routine. Talk about out of touch.....
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Reply #26 - 06/15/18 at 05:38:41
 
"Was it GOOD to try to FORCE the baker to make the cake?"

No.
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Reply #27 - 06/15/18 at 06:17:25
 
Eegore wrote on 06/14/18 at 08:07:38:
 I think a lot of this has to do with Dorsey choosing to be CEO of a company that puts him in the spotlight.  Eating where you want without anyone caring is out the window, his career choice eliminates that.  

 A lot of his actions will be criticized because its easier to look at what other people do than to look at what we do ourselves.  That is after all how celebrity media makes money.


No, it is a big deal to lefties because he's a big shot who isn't toeing the line.
Lefties DEMAND everyone be outraged by the Christian business.
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Reply #28 - 06/15/18 at 06:32:04
 

 I was referring to the fact he chose his career and without that its possible that nobody would care where he eats.  If lefties care its because as you stated he's a "big shot".

"No, it is a big deal to lefties because he's a big shotwho isn't toeing the line."

 Lefties, whoever that is, wouldn't have a platform that we would be discussing if it wasn't profitable to report on what these CEO's or any public figure or celebrity does.  Dorsey wouldn't be reported on if he didn't choose to be where he is, and that's how I treat this type of thing.
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Reply #29 - 06/15/18 at 10:56:50
 
Is it wrong to attack him and demand he not eat the chikkin?
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