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Reply #15 - 07/05/18 at 05:10:00

Serowbot wrote on 07/04/18 at 14:40:54:

Expert predictions said she had about a 3% lead, and she did.
Russians did meddle.
Trump was involved.
The election was tampered with by foreign enemies.
Trump is illegitimate.

An outright admission of this by the US government would cause chaos... Riots, and civil war.
The truth will come out, once Trump leaves office.
History will show this as a very dark time.
Russian influence, election tampering, and America's ugly racist underbelly exposed by a race baiting demagogue...

But,... this will be the last gasp of the dying Conservative Party... as voters become younger, smarter, and more diverse.
All that Trump does will be reversed. He is ultimately a bump in the road of progress.

Progress happens... time only goes in one direction.
November isn't that far away...
I don't see Trump gaining much support.
Stocks down, 401k's losing, impending trade war, costs rising from tariffs, racial divides, women's empowerment, youth in revolt, and Trump international credibility is tanked.
That's MAGA for you

Holy Crap Dude?! You're losing it. Strp away from MSNBC and get off Twitter for a while cause you're in a bubble.

*I saw no "expert" prediction of a 3% win, I saw predictions of a Hilary slaughter, a landslide victory for the first woman President. Where did you see a 3% victory prediction and by who?
*The Russian meddling I've seen actual evidence of was bad internet commericals and rallies attended only by those on either extreme who were only going to cast their vote one way regardless.
*If Trump meddled, show how?

You lost. Several hundred thousand in 5 key swing states figured Trump as President was a better option than Hilary as President. Part of that group were Dems who viewed Trump as a hero for metaphorically flipping the bird to the media, Hollywood and the entertainment culture.

That's it, nothing more to the story. Hilary couldn't overcome the reality than many people just don't like her.

Russian influence did not alter the votes in those key states.

Trump's unique personality coupled with Hilary's high un-likeable factor gave Trump the win.

And now he's picking up more support as time goes on. Your side is likely going to lose again so start prepping for it now.

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Re: Russia meddled to help Trump
Reply #16 - 07/05/18 at 05:28:58

Stocks down, 401k's losing, impending trade war, costs rising from tariffs, racial divides, women's empowerment, youth in revolt, and Trump international credibility is tanked.
That's MAGA for you

No, stocks are not down. They are up substantially since 2016.
A 5 year report shows it going from 16.6k to a high of 26.5k. Last report was 24.1k. Virtually all that gain occurred since Jan 2017.
Who told you in was down???
No, 401K's are not down either. They've slowed from their huge initial increase. I can easily run reports on my 401k. The difference between Obama's 8 years and Trumps first 1 1/2 is huge.
Impending trade war's are threats, nothing more. You think companies (whom on one hand you say would sell their mothers for a buck) are going to pull out of the world's largest consumer market? No, they'll move some production facilities to the US to avoid any tariffs or they'll convince their government's to lower theirs.
Racial divide ? don't think so. Black unemployment is at its lowest ever. The left has temporarily lost it's monopoly on black votes.

Nothing you say is true. It's only true in the little bubble extremist live in. You deal with the same people day in and day out. Practically every week I'm in a different city dealing with a whole new group of people I've never met before and I can PROMISE you, whatever your little world is telling isn't reality.

Trump is holding his own against extraordinary forces galvanized against him. He is leading the Spartans against an overwhelming force.

Just like them, he'll lose in the long run. Liberals will have their chance to destroy the US, but you're going to have to wait a while (2024 perhaps) but the fight will be a little harder than you expected.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9914	Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Reply #17 - 07/05/18 at 09:18:29 " No, they'll move some production facilities to the US to avoid any tariffs or they'll convince their government's to lower theirs. " So far their respective countries are just placing additions to their own tariffs. Why wasn't that considered an option?
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14448 Gender:	Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Reply #18 - 07/05/18 at 12:50:43 I'm sure it was considered and I'm sure it was expected. the question is who can weather the storm better? who will blink first? does Germany need Americans buying BMW's more than Germany needs to buy America made Fords? I think we've got a little more flexibility to play hardball than realized or we've ever done before.
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Reply #19 - 07/05/18 at 16:45:42

I think old Ross Perot was right waaaaaaay back then when he said, "I'll take the same trade agreement you have."

Why isn't it even-steven?

Is it because a nation wants to be certain a country with lower labor, won't flood their own local markets, with cheaper stuff?

Why do some country think they should be able to export freely, but want restrictions on imports?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Reply #20 - 07/05/18 at 23:00:51 No tariffs No Subsidies That's what Trump said was the goal. Is it possible? Doubtful But it's a good goal
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9914	Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Reply #21 - 07/06/18 at 05:18:44 "Why isn't it even-steven?" Theres volumes of articles and text going back decades showing pros and cons of even trade. There aren't a lot of pros. Do you really want the same volume of iphones coming in as beef going out?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Reply #22 - 07/06/18 at 05:28:03 Who's goofy enough to want that? Why would anyone even think that?
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Reply #23 - 07/06/18 at 06:19:41

It's a Flat Earth. International trade has been going on forever. Read in the Bible how Solomon got the materials to build his great temple.

When one economic variable is tinkered with, it ripples across the pond and disrupts other variables. Sometimes those are easily predicted and in fact desired. Raise taxes on tobacco and you lower smoking levels. But you also impact a million other variables you had no idea of.

Point is, the impact of tariffs are widespread and not always so easy to predict, good or bad.

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Re: Russia meddled to help Trump
Reply #25 - 07/06/18 at 06:51:27

That's what Trump has said before.

It's the old saying: if you owe the bank $10, that's your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million dollars, that's the bank's problem.

The US is still a huge consumer market. Who suffers more: Germany if they can't sell BMW's to the US market or Ford if they can't sell F150's to the German market?

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Reply #26 - 07/06/18 at 07:11:00 Never heard that one before, I like it Web....... That extends way past debt too! 😋
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Re: Russia meddled to help Trump
Reply #27 - 07/06/18 at 08:02:27

That's why the whole 'too big to fail' thing happens.

Put Walmart out of business for example, and the nation is temporarily screwed. That's why communities continue to make concessions like TIF's etc...

I've seen this in places I've worked as a credit manager in the past. A company takes on large customers at low margins because its too tempting to pass up. Then, when a larger and larger % of their revenue is coming from these low margin customers, they can't get rid of them because that money coming in is paying the overhead, but no profit. You get stuck. Can't get rid of them, can't really keep them.

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Re: Russia meddled to help Trump
Reply #28 - 07/06/18 at 08:55:23

WebsterMark wrote on 07/06/18 at 08:02:27:

That's why the whole 'too big to fail' thing happens.

Put Walmart out of business for example, and the nation is temporarily screwed. That's why communities continue to make concessions like TIF's etc...

I've seen this in places I've worked as a credit manager in the past. A company takes on large customers at low margins because its too tempting to pass up. Then, when a larger and larger % of their revenue is coming from these low margin customers, they can't get rid of them because that money coming in is paying the overhead, but no profit. You get stuck. Can't get rid of them, can't really keep them.

Yeah, yeah, I get it, just a cool way of presenting it......

We can use the same reasoning to others issues, like:

If a man steals a penny, who cares......

If that man steals my ( car, wife, bank account, sanity ) that is a capital crime, and justice needs to be swift and sure.

Not sure how many folk here can see the connection, or understand the implications. Wink

Thanks!

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14448 Gender:	Re: Russia meddled to help Trump Reply #29 - 07/06/18 at 09:29:17 Yea, but the reality is, we all make judgements of what's too small or what's too big to get involved in. All crimes are not equal. All sins are not equal for that matter nor are all people equal nor are all cultures equal. Just because someone judges incorrectly doesn't mean the process of judging is incorrect.
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