justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/15/18 at 11:55:54:


No, it's not smarter, only cheaper. And the coal industry owns mitch and his buddies (along with some corporate dems).

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/15/18 at 12:06:37:


Poorly.

How are Arkansas Nuclear 1, Arkansas Nuclear 2, Beaver Valley 1, Beaver Valley 2, Braidwood 1, Braidwood 2, Browns Ferry 1, Browns Ferry 2, Browns Ferry 3, Brunswick 1, Brunswick 2, Byron 1, Byron 2, Callaway, Calvert Cliffs 1, Calvert Cliffs 2, Catawba 1, Catawba 2, Clinton, Columbia Generating Station, Comanche Peak 1, Comanche Peak 2, Cooper, D.C. Cook 1, D.C. Cook 2, Davis-Besse, Diablo Canyon 1, Diablo Canyon 2, Dresden 2, Dresden 3, Duane Arnold, Farley 1, Farley 2, Fermi 2, FitzPatrick, Ginna, Grand Gulf 1, Harris 1, Hatch 1, Hatch 2, Hope Creek 1, Indian Point 2, Indian Point 3, La Salle 1, La Salle 2, Limerick 1, Limerick 2, McGuire 1, McGuire 2, Millstone 2, Millstone 3, Monticello, Nine Mile Point 1, Nine Mile Point 2, North Anna 1, North Anna 2, Oconee 1, Oconee 2, Oconee 3, Oyster Creek, Palisades, Palo Verde 1, Palo Verde 2, Palo Verde 3, Peach Bottom 2, Peach Bottom 3, Perry 1, Pilgrim 1, Point Beach 1, Point Beach 2, Prairie Island 1, Prairie Island 2, Quad Cities 1, Quad Cities 2, River Bend 1, Robinson 2, Saint Lucie 1, Saint Lucie 2, Salem 1, Salem 2, Seabrook 1, Sequoyah 1, Sequoyah 2, South Texas 1, South Texas 2, Summer, Surry 1, Surry 2, Susquehanna 1, Susquehanna 2, Three Mile Island 1, Turkey Point 3, Turkey Point 4, Vogtle 1, Vogtle 2, Waterford 3, Watts Bar 1, Watts Bar 2, Wolf Creek 1 doing again?

It seems you take the worst example of something and then equate everything else in that category in the same way.  

That's not smart.

Unless you're willing to accept things that you're not likely to accept, you don't want to talk about how the BP mess came about.
I've explained that before, too.
In short, they broke every rule for containing down hole pressures by pumping off drilling mud and replacing it with sea water.
Engineers refused, and were fired. Until the deciders found people who would do the things that any roughneck knows not to do.

As for the model that says coal kills, IDK, maybe so.
As for the nuclear plants that haven't blown up
Yeehaa!
But how many absolutely horrendous problems can the planet absorb?
Funny how little coverage we get on fukushima.

But how many absolutely horrendous problems can the planet absorb?

The answer to how many is apparently every single one since we're all still here.

The Paris Climate Agreement would have accomplished nothing even for the most fervent Climate Change Chicken-Little congregant. It was like saying you'll go on a diet by cutting your daily 1500 calorie bowl of ice crème but substituting 1600 calories of cookies. Every single reduction from the US & Europe would have been more than erased by the growing coal plants in China & India. To continue the diet metaphor, the promise was after you get your full of cookies, you'd get serious about losing weight. Yea, that ain't gonna happen.

The other main point is continuing this charade that solar and wind are going to power the world condemns hundreds of millions if not billions, to lifelong poverty. It's easy for us to talk about the need to cut back when that cutting back is, at most, a slight inconvenience. Musk can talk nonsense about a little bit of land here for panels and turbines and a little bit of land there for batteries, but no one believes that's true. He's a street corner preacher; his heart might be in the right place, but his head is out to lunch.  

The Climate Change 'deniers' are the only ones actually following the science. The spell is slowly being broken because nothing remotely close to the temps predicted are occurring. Linking every single storm, heatwave, coldwave or fire to climate change has worn thin with everyone.

I believe most people are like me. Sure, its a virtual certainty mankind's activity have affected the climate. it would be hard to believe we haven't. I'm sitting on the 6th floor of a hotel room in Los Angeles looking out over LAX airport. This is the definition of concrete jungle. How could we NOT impact the climate. The only trees and plants I can see are decorative. There's not an indigenous plant for miles.

But, and this is the crux of the matter, to what degree (pardon the pun) has everything we've done altered the natural ebb and flow of climate? And what is that ebb and flow anyway? I've mentioned this before with no suitable answer given but if you were to turn back time just a millisecond of the earth's geological clock, 15,000 - 20,000 years, and travel to the banks of Lake Michigan in downtown Chicago, you'd be very disappointed because you'd be standing on a thick glacier of ice. The Great Lakes weren't there. They formed when glaciers retreated just a short time ago in geological time.

My thoughts on the matter of climate change are based on reading numerous arguments from both sides and my observation over the past 40 years or so since I've been an adult.  And none of us, not a single person on this forum, can point to, with absolute certainty a physical alteration observed in their lifetime due to climate change.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/15/18 at 11:55:54:



maybe solar, but didn't Trump jus put tariffs on that... huh?  

but fuel efficient cars, nah, no one wants them, they'd still rather have the V-8 and the POWER!!! and the big lifted trucks with the "rolling coal"

raydawg wrote on 08/15/18 at 15:28:33:

Why do you guys argue extremes?

Honestly, who would want to ruin the economy.....????
That doesn’t make any sense.
And yes, the gloom and doom scare tactics of under water cities, etc, is all high pressured sales mentality.

We need to stop the partisan crud and find sensible, workable, ideas.
Being good stewards of our planet is a no brainer, I think everyone can agree on that, yes?