Well, millions will suffer and economies will disintegrate if there's nothing done about climate change.

You're supposed to represent the party of science but that statement is completely unknowable. How do you know that? Whose to say a couple of degrees won't actually have a net positive? Couldn't land lost to higher ocean levels mean land gained in northern climates? Longer growing seasons. Far more people die from cold weather than die from hot weather. Isn't the whole premise of global warming centered around what's done in one part of the globe changes another part? If the climate in St Louis evolved to match the climate of Atlanta, you're positive that would be bad?
No one knows that with certainty.

The climate change spell is being broken finally because predictions made 20 years ago about the conditions we should be living in today have not even remotely materialized. It was a theory which seems to be only partially correct. The effects of human activity have only fractionally increased temperatures, not dramatically as predicted. There were and maybe always will be too many variables to account for.

Well, scientists - because so far, it's made things worse.  Look at CA as just one example.

What about CA? I'm in LA right now by the way. The fires everyone is talking about? What proof is there they are worse? I was here last year during the heavy rains and flooding. It was naturally proclaimed the worst ever and more proof of climate change, but as only a few publications pointed out, in 1861 it rained far worse. The flooding would have wiped out most of central CA's produce fields.

Fires seem worse today because houses are destroyed but 200 years ago, whose to say? Didn't you just tell me 60 years or so is too short a timeframe?

Couldn't land lost to higher ocean levels mean land gained in northern climates? Longer growing seasons.

Maybe in a few areas, but most others will suffer droughts, or flooding with no middle ground.

They WILL SUFFER? Really? You're sure about that? Who told you that? The same people who told you by now we'd be far warmer than we actually are?

Far more people die from cold weather than die from hot weather. Isn't the whole premise of global warming centered around what's done in one part of the globe changes another part? If the climate in St Louis evolved to match the climate of Atlanta, you're positive that would be bad?

What happens in Atlanta then - record high temps?  
Record high by how much?

No one knows that with certainty.

I'd say that the scientific community can tell with some degree of certainty.

They were certain the temp would be higher today that it actually is. They were absolutely certain. Now they're trying to figure out why they were so wrong.


The climate change spell is being broken finally because predictions made 20 years ago about the conditions we should be living in today have not even remotely materialized. It was a theory which seems to be only partially correct. The effects of human activity have only fractionally increased temperatures, not dramatically as predicted. There were and maybe always will be too many variables to account for.

I (and most scientists) disagree.

There's a story known as The Piltdown Man. When evolutionary studies were first taking off, a few bones were 'found' that many jumped on as another evolutionary link in human development. I don't know the specific details of what made them so significant, but it was a big deal that altered the direction of evolutionary study. A few scientist had their doubts, but work progress in another direction by most scientist based on those bones. Many PhD thesis were no doubt written and vast sums of money spent. At some point, maybe 25 years later, it was proven the bones were from a pig or something like that. It had been a fraud all along.  Look it up, I'm going from memory and I'm sure some of the details are wrong.

The point is, what we are sure about today, we often find out tomorrow we were wrong about. The fact that 20 years ago, predictions were promised that have not occurred, should give us all pause. Maybe, it's not nearly as bad as it seems. Maybe, there's way to many variables to predict.

today, their is MORE, computer power in your Cell phone.

EXACTLY !!!!!

We do not know where/what energy will look like in a decade.
You very well might have a "chip" of some kind that generates enough power to drive a car, etc....

However, don't let the screaming go to waste.
I posted out about not letting the wild fires go to waste, as Brown went begging.....
This is what politics have evolved to.
No longer do we seek solutions, no, only opportunities to empower our own self.

Oh well, it does provide a good example of insanity. acting crazy  

MnSpring wrote on 08/16/18 at 07:26:26:


It's really not that hard to understand.  I think you're making it more difficult on purpose.

MnSpring wrote on 08/16/18 at 08:49:14:


Why do you say that?  I explained it perfectly.  You refuse to acknowledge it.  That's on you, not me.

verslagen1 wrote on 08/16/18 at 10:32:08:

MnSpring wrote on 08/16/18 at 13:16:08:


Certainly coal fired plants are going to disappear over night.
So burning cleaner fuel would mitigate there continued use.
But that's not the intent, make them use the worst fuel so there's an immediate need.

Quote:

says it all.

even better...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption

13% total generated by renewable or nuclear