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Reply #75 - 08/19/18 at 06:27:50
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/19/18 at 05:06:19:
If renewable energy / energy storage worked, it would have taken over the energy industry by now much in the manner cell phones destroyed the Ma-Bell land lines most of us grew up with and assumed would be around forever.

It does work, there's not denying that. The problem is - big oil (big 'any' fossil fuel).  The power they have over the public opinion is obvious - look at the opposition from folks like you.

All the energy this planet would/could ever need is from the Sun.  The problem is capturing it.  Had we put half the effort we did into new drilling technology, new mining technology, etc., we'd be living in a solar world.

Greed is the main reason that it's been held back.  For an interesting insight, take a look at the documentary "Who Killed the Electric Car?"



Some technology will be developed that transforms energy use in the future but its not here yet and forcing changed with exaggerated temperature predictions isn't helping. The problem now is we've got an entire industry built around a false premise and breaking that spell (the point of this thread) is hard because the prosperity and careers of so many are dependent upon it.

Imagine if you came up with a full proof method of nuclear fuel rod storage or disposal which would open the door for thousands of coal plants to be replaced with nuclear plants. Think about how hard it would be to basically eliminate two industries, coal production and the climate change industry?

Climate change is not an industry - that's a fox news ploy.  As to the coal industry, yeah, that's the problem I mention above.  Those who have gotten rich on it have been fighting renewables for forever.

It's different than cell phones because they sold directly to consumers and were made overseas mostly. For energy, we have a couple middle men to go, governments and distribution companies. They are able to use regulations to insulate themselves.

Yeah, money in politics helps that process.  Quid pro quo/legalized bribery.

Remember how "landline" companies struggled with all the long distance plans as a way to avoid losing business to cell phones? It took a while but the public basically decided the fate of that industry and dragged AT&T into the cell phone world. The technology and life changing benefits were to great. Momentum was too strong.

It took the break up of the monopoly.  Otherwise, we might have just one cell carrier in this country.  As it is, we only have 4 - and they all have the same basic service.  Still not great.

"Climate change" momentum is fake, it's driven by questionable science so it requires those governmental middlemen to maintain it.

Tell that to the wildfire, hurricane and drought victims.  Look at the rate of change of global temperatures.

It's not a hoax.
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Reply #76 - 08/19/18 at 09:11:46
 

 "Potentially detrimental Man-influenced global climate differentiations" takes longer to say then Global Warming or Climate Change.

 I don't think Solar can fuel the entire planet even if we had dumped every spare dime into developing its technology since its inception.  The propulsion needed to launch a rocket into the atmosphere, where we get the most valuable information about solar energy, would not have happened yet if we were exclusively solar.

 When a lot of these documentaries or analysts tell us where we could be if Big Oil wasn't in the way, they leave in the benefits of fossil fuels in the Industrial Revolution and the huge airline growth in the 60's.  Look at the weight and tech in those years, there's no way we were going to power cargo planes by solar in 1965, even if we were offering infinite funding and research.
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Reply #77 - 08/19/18 at 11:31:29
 
Eegore wrote on 08/19/18 at 09:11:46:
 "Potentially detrimental Man-influenced global climate differentiations" takes longer to say then Global Warming or Climate Change.

 I don't think Solar can fuel the entire planet even if we had dumped every spare dime into developing its technology since its inception.  The propulsion needed to launch a rocket into the atmosphere, where we get the most valuable information about solar energy, would not have happened yet if we were exclusively solar.

This is true, however, advances in solar could have powered every vehicle, manufacturing process, etc.  Fossil fuel is simply easier.

 When a lot of these documentaries or analysts tell us where we could be if Big Oil wasn't in the way, they leave in the benefits of fossil fuels in the Industrial Revolution and the huge airline growth in the 60's.  Look at the weight and tech in those years, there's no way we were going to power cargo planes by solar in 1965, even if we were offering infinite funding and research.

Well we'll never know that because of the monopoly of oil from Rockefeller.  In some cases you could say that solar, battery and turbine technology was set back by the "power" that oil had at the beginning.

Think about it - this country went from its first powered flight to the moon in just 66 years...
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Reply #78 - 08/20/18 at 05:08:47
 
Eegore wrote on 08/19/18 at 09:11:46:
 "Potentially detrimental Man-influenced global climate differentiations" takes longer to say then Global Warming or Climate Change.

 I don't think Solar can fuel the entire planet even if we had dumped every spare dime into developing its technology since its inception.  The propulsion needed to launch a rocket into the atmosphere, where we get the most valuable information about solar energy, would not have happened yet if we were exclusively solar.

 When a lot of these documentaries or analysts tell us where we could be if Big Oil wasn't in the way, they leave in the benefits of fossil fuels in the Industrial Revolution and the huge airline growth in the 60's.  Look at the weight and tech in those years, there's no way we were going to power cargo planes by solar in 1965, even if we were offering infinite funding and research.


I've heard that before somewhere. I've also read that if the earth's mass was only slightly greater, the rocket technology of the Mercury and Apollo programs wouldn't have been powerful enough to escape Earth so no attempt would have even been made. How much longer until technology came up with a solution is anyone's guess.
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Reply #79 - 08/20/18 at 05:16:32
 
All the energy this planet would/could ever need is from the Sun atom. The problem is capturing it.  Had we put half the effort we did into new drilling technology, new mining technology, etc., we'd be living in a solar atomic world.

Nothing killed the electric car other than the energy density of fossil fuels. There's no other easily accessible energy souce remotely approaching it. That's the reality. Is that the reality 50 years from now? Who knows.
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Reply #80 - 08/20/18 at 06:22:27
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 05:16:32:
All the energy this planet would/could ever need is from the Sun atom.

No mark, the Sun.

The problem is capturing it.  Had we put half the effort we did into new drilling technology, new mining technology, etc., we'd be living in a solar atomic world.

No mark, Solar.

Nothing killed the electric car other than the energy density of fossil fuels. There's no other easily accessible energy souce remotely approaching it. That's the reality. Is that the reality 50 years from now? Who knows.

We'll never know because of what big oil did to this country.

Don't be afraid of watching the documentary.  It's very educational.
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Re: Breaking the Climate Spell
Reply #81 - 08/20/18 at 08:15:49
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/20/18 at 06:22:27:
 Don't be afraid of watching the documentary.  It's very educational.  

LOLOLOLOL,  Watching that documentary.
Is akin to watching a documentary,
produced by Michael Francis Moore,
about Firearms.
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: Breaking the Climate Spell
Reply #82 - 08/20/18 at 08:16:59
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/20/18 at 08:15:49:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/20/18 at 06:22:27:
 Don't be afraid of watching the documentary.  It's very educational.  

LOLOLOLOL,  Watching that documentary.
Is akin to watching a documentary,
produced by Michael Francis Moore,
about Firearms.


Have you watched it?

If not, how can you pass judgement?
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Re: Breaking the Climate Spell
Reply #83 - 08/20/18 at 08:35:05
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/20/18 at 08:16:59:
"...Have you watched it?  If not, how can you pass judgement?..."

 Do you understand the word  “Watching” ?
It means in most cases it was watched.
When Was it watched, (yesterday, 6 years ago or 12 years ago.)
does not matter.
(Asking the question is a simple Troll 101 question,
implying it was never watched, by saying, ‘…How Can You…”)

Ray Charles could have seen the one sidedness of it.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Re: Breaking the Climate Spell
Reply #84 - 08/20/18 at 08:50:47
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/20/18 at 08:35:05:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/20/18 at 08:16:59:
"...Have you watched it?  If not, how can you pass judgement?..."

 Do you understand the word  “Watching” ?
It means in most cases it was watched.
When Was it watched, (yesterday, 6 years ago or 12 years ago.)
does not matter.
(Asking the question is a simple Troll 101 question,
implying it was never watched, by saying, ‘…How Can You…”)

Ray Charles could have seen the one sidedness of it.


You're wasting keystrokes mn - nothing more.
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Re: Breaking the Climate Spell
Reply #85 - 08/20/18 at 14:08:19
 

 Its an elaborate way of saying No.

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Re: Breaking the Climate Spell
Reply #86 - 08/20/18 at 14:36:38
 
Eegore wrote on 08/20/18 at 14:08:19:
 Its an elaborate way of saying No.




Ahh - I see.

Thanks Eegore!


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Re: Breaking the Climate Spell
Reply #87 - 08/20/18 at 16:32:36
 
Eegore wrote on 08/20/18 at 14:08:19:
   Its an elaborate way of saying No.  

Grin   Grin   Grin   Grin   Grin   Grin   Grin   Grin  

And that would be, your, opinion.

Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Re: Breaking the Climate Spell
Reply #88 - 08/21/18 at 05:34:20
 

 All we can have is opinion since you won't answer the question.
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Reply #89 - 08/21/18 at 06:09:51
 
Back to the topic at hand.... just read this.

This latest data also proves that despite all of the criticism across the globe and in the American media, Trump was right to pull the U.S. out of the flawed Paris climate accord. Nearly every nation that signed on to Paris and has admonished America for not doing so, has already violated the agreement. According to Climate Action Network Europe, "All EU countries are failing to increase their climate action in line with the Paris Agreement goal." All but five countries have even reached 50 percent of their current targets.
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