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Reply #15 - 08/20/18 at 08:22:38
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 08:14:22:
In short, the savage is free to imagine anything; the civilized man is constrained by evidence.

Isn't imagining 'anything', the very essence of discovery and exploration?  

Being constrained by evidence would result in us never reaching beyond what's in front of us. There was no evidence that lead Einstein. He had a clue something was incomplete. He didn't know what it was exactly and there was no evidence for it. It fact, it would be years before physical evidence validated his mathematical claims.

I think these Keats lines confirm rather than refute what Rumsfeld was trying to say which is there are surprises out there we could never even imagine and we need to acknowledge their existence even if they are beyond our imagination.

Actually,  I think you are trying to squeeze a round peg into your "I hate all conservatives" square hole.


Actually,  I think you are trying to squeeze a round peg into your "I hate all democrats" square hole.


See how easy that is to do?

Everyone knows that rumsfeld's quote was his way of justifying the invasion of Iraq.

Once again, it's about the CONTEXT.  Why do conservatives conveniently forget that?
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Reply #16 - 08/20/18 at 08:40:49
 
Everyone knows that rumsfeld's quote was his way of justifying the invasion of Iraq.

Once again, it's about the CONTEXT.  Why do conservatives conveniently forget that?


The context doesn't alter the validity of the quote.

And the lines from Keats poem do not really apply here. Sew was looking for support from a source that carried some perceived authority and he misapplied them.

Context huh? What you're saying is context alters the meaning of words and phrases?
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Reply #17 - 08/20/18 at 08:46:58
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 08:40:49:
Everyone knows that rumsfeld's quote was his way of justifying the invasion of Iraq.

Once again, it's about the CONTEXT.  Why do conservatives conveniently forget that?


The context doesn't alter the validity of the quote.

Yes it does!  He was trying to defend the invasion of Iraq!  Saying that the "unknown unknowns" were the missing WMDs.  It was back peddling 101.  Besides the fact that it's pretty obvious that, yeah, there are things we don't know....

And the lines from Keats poem do not really apply here. Sew was looking for support from a source that carried some perceived authority and he misapplied them.

Context huh? What you're saying is context alters the meaning of words and phrases?


Phrases, yes.  Just like the context of Obama's "you didn't build that" quote that has been taken out of context by the right.
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Reply #18 - 08/20/18 at 09:00:56
 
Phrases, yes.  Just like the context of Obama's "you didn't build that" quote that has been taken out of context by the right.

So in the hands of an authority figure like a prosecutor or judge, context could be used to alter the meaning, or another way to put that would be truth,  of a phrase or statement.

which was Rudy's poorly worded point about how easy it would be to commit perjury especially when confronting a hostile judge or in this case, partisan special prosecutor.

so it appears we finally agree on one thing. two melted snowballs in hell this week....
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Reply #19 - 08/20/18 at 09:25:33
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 09:00:56:
Phrases, yes.  Just like the context of Obama's "you didn't build that" quote that has been taken out of context by the right.

So in the hands of an authority figure like a prosecutor or judge, context could be used to alter the meaning, or another way to put that would be truth,  of a phrase or statement.

which was Rudy's poorly worded point about how easy it would be to commit perjury especially when confronting a hostile judge or in this case, partisan special prosecutor.

Hostile judge?  Partisan prosecutor?  You seem to assume a lot.

That not withstanding, the truth is the truth.  It can't be made a lie by context.

Our president and his staff lied about the trump tower meeting.  There's nothing about the context.  He said one thing, then he said another.  There are literally hundreds of examples of lies told by our president on twitter and other public statements.  Context doesn't enter into it.


so it appears we finally agree on one thing. two melted snowballs in hell this week....


No, I'm afraid we don't.  
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Reply #20 - 08/20/18 at 09:37:52
 
Yea, I think we do. It's okay to admit it.

That not withstanding, the truth is the truth.  It can't be made a lie by context.

If the one who decides what constitutes truth is not virtuous, of course that person can use context to turn 'truth' into a lie.

You make a correct statement that truth is truth. It is an absolute. However, truth is not always known (perhaps a majority of the time in fact) and sometimes is completely unknowable.  

As far as 'hundreds of lies on twitter and context doesn't enter into it' is evidence of your partisanship, not truthfulness.

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Reply #21 - 08/20/18 at 09:46:15
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 09:37:52:
Yea, I think we do. It's okay to admit it.

That not withstanding, the truth is the truth.  It can't be made a lie by context.

If the one who decides what constitutes truth is not virtuous, of course that person can use context to turn 'truth' into a lie.

To repeat: Our president and his staff lied about the trump tower meeting.  There's nothing about the context.

You make a correct statement that truth is truth. It is an absolute. However, truth is not always known (perhaps a majority of the time in fact) and sometimes is completely unknowable.  

As far as 'hundreds of lies on twitter and context doesn't enter into it' is evidence of your partisanship, not truthfulness.

No, that actually shows your blind faith in a man that is a serial liar.

"California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean."

"U.S. Steel just announced that they are building six new steel mills."

"Wow, highest Poll Numbers in the history of the Republican Party. That includes Honest Abe Lincoln and Ronald Reagan."

"The Electoral College is much more advantageous for Democrats."

"The servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC" are "missing."

"I have watched ICE liberate towns from the grasp of MS-13."

"Watch those GDP numbers. We started off at a very low number, and right now we hit a 3.2 (percent). Nobody thought that was possible."

"The European Union … they send us Mercedes, they send us -- by the millions -- the BMWs -- cars by the millions."

That's just July of this year....

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
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Reply #22 - 08/20/18 at 10:08:09
 
You're operating under some kind of delusion that you are going to tell me something about Trump I don't already know and all of a sudden I'll flip.

As I've said, I support Trump because he was the only one willing to carry the flag into the battle against leftist who are destroying this country.  

He has too many flaws to mention, but none of those flaws take away his ability to do the job I hired him to do.

If I were shown Trump was only out for himself or was traitorous towards the US, I'd flip on him instantly. But nothing I've seen shows that.
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Reply #23 - 08/20/18 at 11:01:34
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 10:08:09:
You're operating under some kind of delusion that you are going to tell me something about Trump I don't already know and all of a sudden I'll flip.

As I've said, I support Trump because he was the only one willing to carry the flag into the battle against leftist who are destroying this country.  

He has too many flaws to mention, but none of those flaws take away his ability to do the job I hired him to do.

If I were shown Trump was only out for himself or was traitorous towards the US, I'd flip on him instantly. But nothing I've seen showsh that.



That's what Trump supporters are.
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Reply #24 - 08/20/18 at 11:14:19
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 10:08:09:
You're operating under some kind of delusion that you are going to tell me something about Trump I don't already know and all of a sudden I'll flip.

Not at all.  I don't, nor would I ever suspect that you would.  I just like shining a light on hypocrisy, that's all.

You say it's partisan, I can prove that it's not.  A lie is a lie.  Partisanship doesn't enter into it.


As I've said, I support Trump because he was the only one willing to carry the flag into the battle against leftist who are destroying this country.  

How can anyone take that statement seriously?  Are you saying that the same liberalism that gave us public schools, Medicare and a 40 hour work week is somehow "destroying" this country?

I think not.


He has too many flaws to mention, but none of those flaws take away his ability to do the job I hired him to do.

Yes, they actually do.  One only needs to look at what he did FOR North Korea.  He came away with nothing.  NK came away with a meeting with the world's most powerful country.

If I were shown Trump was only out for himself or was traitorous towards the US, I'd flip on him instantly. But nothing I've seen shows that.

Then you haven't been watching very closely.  On his mara lago property alone, he's making millions just for being president.

How many time do you have to hear the man say "I will do such and such"?

He is a textbook narcissist.  An autocrat of the highest order.
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Reply #25 - 08/20/18 at 11:14:59
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/20/18 at 11:01:34:
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 10:08:09:
You're operating under some kind of delusion that you are going to tell me something about Trump I don't already know and all of a sudden I'll flip.

As I've said, I support Trump because he was the only one willing to carry the flag into the battle against leftist who are destroying this country.  

He has too many flaws to mention, but none of those flaws take away his ability to do the job I hired him to do.

If I were shown Trump was only out for himself or was traitorous towards the US, I'd flip on him instantly. But nothing I've seen showsh that.



That's what Trump supporters are.


See my post above to mark.
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Reply #26 - 08/20/18 at 11:59:21
 
Then you haven't been watching very closely.  On his mara lago property alone, he's making millions just for being president.

How many time do you have to hear the man say "I will do such and such"?

He is a textbook narcissist.  An autocrat of the highest order.


Well then, I can honestly say then you are a fool. You are useful for humor purposes and to remind myself what must be overcome for this nation to continue on. Also reminder what horrors await when you eventually take over which you will. I've told Sew this for years. His side (and yours) will eventually win. You will destroy this nation. Everything comes to an end and is usually destroyed from within and that's likely our fate. But for now, I'll enjoy what freedoms I have until you and yours snatch them.
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Reply #27 - 08/20/18 at 12:09:17
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 11:59:21:
Then you haven't been watching very closely.  On his mara lago property alone, he's making millions just for being president.

How many time do you have to hear the man say "I will do such and such"?

He is a textbook narcissist.  An autocrat of the highest order.


Well then, I can honestly say then you are a fool. You are useful for humor purposes and to remind myself what must be overcome for this nation to continue on. Also reminder what horrors await when you eventually take over which you will. I've told Sew this for years. His side (and yours) will eventually win. You will destroy this nation. Everything comes to an end and is usually destroyed from within and that's likely our fate. But for now, I'll enjoy what freedoms I have until you and yours snatch them.


Your words, not mine: If I were shown Trump was only out for himself or was traitorous towards the US, I'd flip on him instantly.

What's it going to take?  If it's not mara lago, then what?  His money laundering for russian oligarchs?  His (admitted) collusion with russia?  How can you not see that he's ONLY out for himself.  The man's never held public office.  He is literally a reality TV show host.

If this were a dem, you conservatives would be all over him.  It just reeks of blatant hypocrisy.
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Reply #28 - 08/20/18 at 12:56:22
 

What's it going to take?  If it's not mara lago, then what?

You think Trump ran for President to make money off Mara Lago? Seriously? That's hilarious.  

His (admitted) collusion with russia?
Hasn't he repeatedly said no collusion? Or are  you expanding the definition of collusion. I can't recall who but didn't I just read somewhere someone said context is everything.....

How can you not see that he's ONLY out for himself.
Without admitting he's is or isn't, isn't every politician out for himself? Couldn't I just as easily say Obama ran for office because that was the only way he was ever going to get wealthy? I'm not saying he did, I'm just using your logic.

And Trump's lost a lot. He loves golf but the snowflakes that run some tournaments drop his courses. He was the absolute darling of Hollywood liberals until he ran and then he was dropped. You know how much many of these B list celebs who trash him all day now would have given to be on his show?

The man's never held public office.  He is literally a reality TV show host.
He ran numerous business' and created an entire empire. doesn't that perspective and business experience count for anything?

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Reply #29 - 08/20/18 at 13:25:17
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/20/18 at 12:56:22:
What's it going to take?  If it's not mara lago, then what?

You think Trump ran for President to make money off Mara Lago? Seriously? That's hilarious.  

No, but he certainly didn't do it to serve the country - he's in it for one guy only - himself.

His (admitted) collusion with russia?
Hasn't he repeatedly said no collusion? Or are  you expanding the definition of collusion. I can't recall who but didn't I just read somewhere someone said context is everything.....

No, I'm referring to him saying "collusion is not a crime".  Further, the meeting at trump tower is collusion.

How can you not see that he's ONLY out for himself.
Without admitting he's is or isn't, isn't every politician out for himself?

No.  They are public servants.  Their job is to serve the public.  To represent the public.

Couldn't I just as easily say Obama ran for office because that was the only way he was ever going to get wealthy? I'm not saying he did, I'm just using your logic.

No, because his history prior to his presidency doesn't point to that.  Obama served the public.  I'm not saying he didn't get rich after the fact, but while he was in office, he sure as heck didn't make million on all his properties.  Gee, I wonder who did?

And Trump's lost a lot. He loves golf (yeah, we know, he's played more at this point in his presidency than pretty much any other president) but the snowflakes that run some tournaments drop his courses. He was the absolute darling of Hollywood liberals until he ran and then he was dropped. You know how much many of these B list celebs who trash him all day now would have given to be on his show?

"Be on his show"?  That right there says pretty much everything.

The man's never held public office.  He is literally a reality TV show host.
He ran numerous business' and created an entire empire. doesn't that perspective and business experience count for anything?

No, because he really didn't.  The man you consider a "great businessman" bankrupted a casino... how does anyone even do that?  How can you call a guy who bankrupts several times a success?

Had he kept his daddy's money in a mutual fund, he would have amassed more of a fortune.


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