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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14448 Gender:	Mollie Tibbetts 08/21/18 at 14:26:11 [i]Suspect in Death of Iowa Student Mollie Tibbetts Is Illegal Immigrant, Police Say[i] Why is building a wall, empowering ICE and throwing the book at companies who hire illegals even a debate? ...and do not say stats show illegals commit less crime blah blah blah.....doesn't matter. She's dead. Didn't have to be.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Mollie Tibbetts Reply #1 - 08/21/18 at 14:36:32 Wow, another crime, another death, and lefties continue to protect them. And at the same time they want employers to treat employees as valuable while they promote bringing people in who compete for jobs. Why are lefties unable to understand how that works?
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Reply #2 - 08/21/18 at 14:39:39

It's a debate because it's not the only solution. There's no way to know if a wall would have stopped this murderer.

Empowering ICE even more would make matters worse. They are draconian in their raids and the whole "zero tolerance" stance doesn't fit the bill.

As to the companies that hire illegals - look no farther than the agriculture industries. They need that labor to operate. That's not me saying it - that's them.

I agree, immigration policy has to change. But just putting up a wall will not help.

IMHO

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Mollie Tibbetts Reply #3 - 08/21/18 at 14:53:43 But just putting up a wall will not help. A wall won't help Kinda like saying putting bars on your windows won't deter burglars, innitt? WHY won't a wall HELP?
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Re: Mollie Tibbetts
Reply #4 - 08/21/18 at 15:00:33

T And T Garage wrote on 08/21/18 at 14:39:39:

"... But just putting up a wall will not help.

And you keep thinking a, ‘Wall’ is a multi million dollar structure.

A, ‘Wall’ can be a piece of twine string,
held up with some rusty ’T’ posts,
with a sign in Spanish.
“Do Not Enter’.

(One exception would be,
in the auroras in Tucson,
the sign would say:
‘Go to Bots house’)

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Mollie Tibbetts Reply #6 - 08/21/18 at 15:07:36 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 14:53:43: But just putting up a wall will not help. A wall won't help Kinda like saying putting bars on your windows won't deter burglars, innitt? WHY won't a wall HELP?
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Re: Mollie Tibbetts
Reply #7 - 08/21/18 at 15:13:22

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:07:36:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 14:53:43:

But just putting up a wall will not help.

A wall won't help
Kinda like saying putting bars on your windows won't deter burglars, innitt?

WHY won't a wall

HELP?

'Cause there are these things called ladders...
A $20 solution to a $20 billion dollar obstacle... Huh

There's also these things called oceans... Undecided

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Re: Mollie Tibbetts
Reply #8 - 08/21/18 at 15:19:18

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:07:36:

Kinda like saying putting bars on your windows won't deter burglars, innitt?

Gee, in Minn, their is a LAW, that a ‘gun’ shop, must have bars on the windows.
After someone broke in a window.
In Minn their is a LAW, that ‘gun’ shops must have, steel posts, (or like) all around a gun shop, so someone cannot. drive through them.
After someone stole a car, ran it into a gun shop, left it their and ran away with guns.
In Minn their is a Suggestion, that ‘gun’ shops, have a ‘man trap’, so they have to be, buzzed into the store.
After two owners were Killed, with gang members running into the store with guns drawn and shooting.

So, the Ultra Liberals have the logic, that when someone comes accost the boarder, then Kills, Rapes, Sets Fires, Steels, etc.etc.etc.
NO reason to increase, Just Decrease, and let ALL in !

And of course, if you don’t believe that,
you MUST BE, a Nazi !

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:07:36:

WHY won't a wall HELP?

Don’t ask TT that.
He/She, has been asked questions, Multiple times before.
And it’s, Deflection, LIES, SPIN, Blame someone else.
Or, ‘Run Away and HIDE’

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Re: Mollie Tibbetts
Reply #9 - 08/21/18 at 15:36:58

this is a sad case...

but...

Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show
https://www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does...

"All of this comes as no surprise to Art Acevedo, the police chief in Houston, which has one of largest undocumented populations in the nation. The chief has been publicly critical of the immigration crackdown.

"There's no wave of crime being committed by the immigrant community," Acevedo said. "As a matter of fact, a lot of the violent crime that we're dealing with is being committed by people that are born and raised right here in the United States.""

and before you say it...

this here is your response...

""It's actually immaterial whether they commit more crimes or not because they commit additional crimes," Dykes says. "They are crimes that would not be committed. There are American citizens who'd be alive today if [unauthorized immigrants] were not in this country.""

all from that same article, go figure huh? NPR, balanced coverage, maybe not as crazy left wing liberal as you thought...

to me, that argument is as valid as the whole "if it saves one person...." argument you hear a lot, and if you want to go down that rabbit hole, more power to you, but don't forget to sell your motorcycle first.

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Re: Mollie Tibbetts
Reply #10 - 08/21/18 at 16:06:44

Serowbot wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:13:22:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:07:36:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 14:53:43:

But just putting up a wall will not help.

A wall won't help
Kinda like saying putting bars on your windows won't deter burglars, innitt?

WHY won't a wall

HELP?

'Cause there are these things called ladders...
A $20 solution to a $20 billion dollar obstacle... Huh

There's also these things called oceans... Undecided

So you take absolutely no steps to ensure your safety because any step you take could be easily breached?
Of course not. We all take steps.

And yes, a wall WOULD absolutely help with illegal immigration. You have to close your eyes to reality to suggest otherwise. Would it completely eliminate it? No, but does a fence around your house and lock on your door completely eliminate breaks ins? No, but we all still do that.

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Re: Mollie Tibbetts
Reply #11 - 08/21/18 at 17:22:58

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 14:53:43:

But just putting up a wall will not help.

A wall won't help
Kinda like saying putting bars on your windows won't deter burglars, innitt?

WHY won't a wall

HELP?

I didn't say it wouldn't help, I said it's not the ONLY answer.

There's no way to say that a wall would have kept this murderer out.

Immigration is far more complex than just building a wall.

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Re: Mollie Tibbetts
Reply #12 - 08/21/18 at 17:23:44

MnSpring wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:00:33:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/21/18 at 14:39:39:

"... But just putting up a wall will not help.

And you keep thinking a, ‘Wall’ is a multi million dollar structure.

A, ‘Wall’ can be a piece of twine string,
held up with some rusty ’T’ posts,
with a sign in Spanish.
“Do Not Enter’.

(One exception would be,
in the auroras in Tucson,
the sign would say:
‘Go to Bots house’)

Why do you refuse to engage in an actual conversation?

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Re: Mollie Tibbetts
Reply #13 - 08/21/18 at 17:30:46

MnSpring wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:19:18:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:07:36:

Kinda like saying putting bars on your windows won't deter burglars, innitt?

Gee, in Minn, their is a LAW, that a ‘gun’ shop, must have bars on the windows.
After someone broke in a window.
In Minn their is a LAW, that ‘gun’ shops must have, steel posts, (or like) all around a gun shop, so someone cannot. drive through them.
After someone stole a car, ran it into a gun shop, left it their and ran away with guns.
In Minn their is a Suggestion, that ‘gun’ shops, have a ‘man trap’, so they have to be, buzzed into the store.
After two owners were Killed, with gang members running into the store with guns drawn and shooting.

So, the Ultra Liberals have the logic, that when someone comes accost the boarder, then Kills, Rapes, Sets Fires, Steels, etc.etc.etc.
NO reason to increase, Just Decrease, and let ALL in !

No, no one has said that.

And of course, if you don’t believe that,
you MUST BE, a Nazi !

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/21/18 at 15:07:36:

WHY won't a wall HELP?

Don’t ask TT that.
He/She, has been asked questions, Multiple times before.

I'm male. Did you not understand that from another post?

And it’s, Deflection, LIES, SPIN, Blame someone else.
Or, ‘Run Away and HIDE’

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10589 Minn Gender:	Re: Mollie Tibbetts Reply #14 - 08/21/18 at 17:35:52 T And T Garage wrote on 08/21/18 at 17:23:44: "... But just putting up a wall will not help. YEA, you DID SAY "... But just putting up a wall will not help….” And NOW, YOU SAY: “…I didn’t say it wouldn’t help,…” Again, where you, LYING then, or now.
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