MnSpring wrote on 08/21/18 at 17:35:52:


Yeah mn JUST.  You somehow missed that.

I'm saying that JUST putting up a wall won't help.

Please, look at my original response - first line:
It's a debate because it's not the only solution.

MnSpring wrote on 08/21/18 at 17:51:37:



Truth hurts right mn?

It's ok, I'm sure you'll be fine.

ICE and CBP in general do not support a physical wall, the very people that do the job, would rather have more modern means of completing their mission.  But a ton of desk jockeys, and even more keyboard warriors continue to push for less efficient technologies like walls instead of allowing the workers themselves to make the decisions on what they need.

Teachers often argue against assistants, police argue against concealed carry etc... I think sometimes people do this because they subconsciously  feel this is an indictment on their job.

For that matter more legal US citizens will kill their girlfriend or wives this week than illegal immigrants will in the next six months but how many people here will spend half the time they will arguing about The Wall sending a single donation to a women's shelter, or treatment facility?

One doesn't take away from the other. We don't ignore the leaky roof because the basement is leaking too. Both need to be addressed.

And the bottom line is someone here illegally brutally murdered a young girl. One side has been arguing stepped up enforcement against illegal aliens. The other side, purely for political reasons in my view, has been arguing against stepped up enforcement. In my mind, it's a pretty clear and easy choice.

None of that is racist. Do you even know what racist means?
I am in favor of all those things and I am not racist. None of us know each other in the real world so it's easy to toss charges back and forth, I've done my share. I am not racist and I support boarder control.

Let's look at the other stuff. did Trump say all immigrants from Haiti have aids? All? Really?
And there are a lot of sh!thole countries in Africa.

Let's start dealing in reality.

True.
And Trump is like no other before him. No one other than him would have gotten elected, in part because he doesn't care what the world thinks.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/22/18 at 09:58:23:


How can you honestly say that?  "No one other than him"?  That's not even close to a true statement.  Bernie polled higher.

Further, it's merely speculation.  Also, don't forget, he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million and he won the electoral vote by very slim margins.

How can you honestly say that?  "No one other than him"?  That's not even close to a true statement.  Bernie polled higher.

My point was no one other than Trump could have said the things he did and get elected. Bernie would have backtracked and looked weak. Trump never did. Look at Hilary after her deplorable comment or Romney after his 47%. Imagine the difference if Romney had stood up and said hell yes 47% don't pay taxes and its high time we do something about it. Or if Hilary had said, yes, they're deplorable. Trump calls places sh!tholes, because they are, and stood by it and almost all Americans know it to be true. You do too. Take an vacation in Haiti lately? No, of course not. You don't live in those sh!thole neighborhoods in Chicago where someone will get killed tonight either. I certainly don't live in those sh!thole places in St Louis.

Also, don't forget, he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million and he won the electoral vote by very slim margins.
None of that matters. There's only one final score. You can out hit the other team by 10-1 but if they score 1 and you don't, you lose. That's the equivalent of bringing up the popular vote, it just sounds like a sore loser complaining about the umpire or something.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/22/18 at 10:35:36:


I'm not saying he didn't win fair and square - he did.

But it seems that many of his supporters don't realize is that it wasn't a "landslide".  It was a nailbiter.  He barely won.  The way some of those supporters talk about it, you'd have thought hillary got zero votes.  

This isn't some mandate that he's got.  There isn't much political capital.  Chances are, the republicans are going to lose the House.  If things keep happening they way they are with cohen and the like, they may also lose the Senate.  If that happens, there will be an impeachment and more than likely, trump will be ousted.

But that remains to be seen.