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Reply #30 - 08/22/18 at 11:39:29
 
How do you figure?  Bernie, if nothing else, has been consistent on his views for decades.  No, he lost more to the DNC than anything.  He made a poor decision that he thought was the only one.  Sadly, it was.
You're missing my point. If he had gotten the nomination, he would have during the course of a debate or otherwise, said something that highlighted his socialistic nature and it would have come off bad. Every candidate does that. My point is Trump never really backed away from his comments. He stuck with them. Who knows what would have happened if Bernie hadn't been screwed by the DNC. Would he have won? The question is would those few hundred thousand in those 5 key states have voted for him? I don't think so , but who knows.

You can't say that "almost all Americans do".  That's conjecture at best.  There's no proof to back that statement up.  In fact, approval polls say just the opposite.
Absolutely I can. Have you ever thought about taking a vacation in Haiti? Do you live in those neighborhoods in Chicago I'm talking about? That's the best poll there is.

Don't you see?  By you, and others like you, calling entire cities or countries sh!tholes, you do a disservice to the issues.  It's name-calling, that's all.  It's textbook bigotry.  
It's not bigotry, it's reality, it's the truth. We've been dancing around the issue for so long, we can't call a spade a spade. Haiti is a sh!thole. What good does it do to pretend it's not? Maybe their only chance to escape their fate is by acknowledging where they are.
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Reply #31 - 08/22/18 at 12:00:58
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/22/18 at 11:39:29:
How do you figure?  Bernie, if nothing else, has been consistent on his views for decades.  No, he lost more to the DNC than anything.  He made a poor decision that he thought was the only one.  Sadly, it was.
You're missing my point. If he had gotten the nomination, he would have during the course of a debate or otherwise, said something that highlighted his socialistic nature and it would have come off bad. Every candidate does that. My point is Trump never really backed away from his comments. He stuck with them. Who knows what would have happened if Bernie hadn't been screwed by the DNC. Would he have won? The question is would those few hundred thousand in those 5 key states have voted for him? I don't think so , but who knows.

You can't say that "almost all Americans do".  That's conjecture at best.  There's no proof to back that statement up.  In fact, approval polls say just the opposite.
Absolutely I can.

No, you can't.  You're making an assumption not just of Haiti, but of the thoughts of the entire population of the US. Believe it or not, Port-au-Prince and Labadee are still fairly popular.  Yes, they are cruise destinations/ports of call - but the overnight stays are still in the hundreds of thousands per year.

Have you ever thought about taking a vacation in Haiti?

No.  I'm not a tropical destination kind of guy.  But that's just me, not everyone else.

Do you live in those neighborhoods in Chicago I'm talking about?

I don't now, but I've lived in several neighborhoods in Chicago.  From Logan Square to the tip of East Garfield to Wrigleyville.  I can say that there is good and bad in all of them.

That's the best poll there is.

Don't you see?  By you, and others like you, calling entire cities or countries sh!tholes, you do a disservice to the issues.  It's name-calling, that's all.  It's textbook bigotry.  
It's not bigotry, it's reality, it's the truth.

No, it's actually the textbook meaning of bigotry - obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot

We've been dancing around the issue for so long, we can't call a spade a spade. Haiti is a sh!thole.

No, it's not.  Parts might be, but don't condemn an entire country.  What does that serve?

What good does it do to pretend it's not? Maybe their only chance to escape their fate is by acknowledging where they are.


Again, you've seem to have missed the point.  With a statement like that, you basically give up on whatever you label.  Be it Haiti, a city a race, whatever.
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Reply #32 - 08/22/18 at 12:12:18
 
Have you ever thought about taking a vacation in Haiti?

No.  I'm not a tropical destination kind of guy.  But that's just me, not everyone else.

Aw... come on man! No vacations in Haiti. If you were a tropical destination kind of guy, you'd go anywhere BUT Haiti. Let's deal in reality.

Do you live in those neighborhoods in Chicago I'm talking about?

I don't now, but I've lived in several neighborhoods in Chicago.  From Logan Square to the tip of East Garfield to Wrigleyville.  I can say that there is good and bad in all of them.


Of course there's good and bad everywhere, but there are degrees of bad. And you don't live where someone's gonna get killed tonight FOR SURE. You know where in Chicago to avoid just like I know where in St Louis to avoid and since I travel all the time, I know dozens of places to avoid. Maybe instead of pretending its about guns or work programs or recovery centers and start pretending it's about something else might be the way to go.

What good does it do to pretend it's not? Maybe their only chance to escape their fate is by acknowledging where they are.

Again, you've seem to have missed the point.  With a statement like that, you basically give up on whatever you label.  Be it Haiti, a city a race, whatever.


I'm not going to pretend Haiti is ok, it's not. I'm not going to pretend black on black murder is ok, it's not. I'm not going to pretend, as Rahm said, there's not a moral crisis going on in minority communities. There is.
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Reply #33 - 08/22/18 at 12:24:29
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/22/18 at 12:12:18:
Have you ever thought about taking a vacation in Haiti?

No.  I'm not a tropical destination kind of guy.  But that's just me, not everyone else.

Aw... come on man! No vacations in Haiti. If you were a tropical destination kind of guy, you'd go anywhere BUT Haiti. Let's deal in reality.

All I can say is, you're wrong.  You don't know who I am, or what I like.

Rest assured though, I deal only in reality.



Do you live in those neighborhoods in Chicago I'm talking about?

I don't now, but I've lived in several neighborhoods in Chicago.  From Logan Square to the tip of East Garfield to Wrigleyville.  I can say that there is good and bad in all of them.


Of course there's good and bad everywhere, but there are degrees of bad. And you don't live where someone's gonna get killed tonight FOR SURE. You know where in Chicago to avoid just like I know where in St Louis to avoid and since I travel all the time, I know dozens of places to avoid.

So then, how can you say it's fair to call St. Louis a sh!thole?

Maybe instead of pretending its about guns or work programs or recovery centers and start pretending it's about something else might be the way to go.

What good does it do to pretend it's not? Maybe their only chance to escape their fate is by acknowledging where they are.

Again, you've seem to have missed the point.  With a statement like that, you basically give up on whatever you label.  Be it Haiti, a city a race, whatever.


I'm not going to pretend Haiti is ok, it's not.

Then why do you still live in St. Louis?  By all metrics, it's a sh!thole.

I'm not going to pretend black on black murder is ok, it's not.

No one, especially me, has ever said that it is.

I'm not going to pretend, as Rahm said, there's not a moral crisis going on in minority communities. There is.

Whose morals?  What morals?  Talk is cheap - especially in the case of rham.  I've seen firsthand the actions he's taken prior to his fear of losing the mayoral race.  I didn't vote for his second term for those very reasons.  His sudden grasp of morality is too little, too late.

Is there a crisis of morality on the south and near-west sides?  Of course.  but it goes far deeper than simple faith.  Overcoming inequality,
gaining opportunity, getting respect, tangible equality, being given consideration and pretty much just listening to the neighborhoods is what's needed most.  Yes, a strong family unit is high on the list, but it's not the only item on that list and can't be done with most of the list above.
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Reply #34 - 08/23/18 at 05:44:02
 
My argument against the line of thinking that poverty and inequality are at the heart of this, involve comparing crime rates in the poorest areas of Missouri. By far the worst poverty in Missouri is located in the southern most countries, the Ozarks on the border with Arkansas. Poverty is high, gun ownership is high, they are marginalized as Rednecks, Hillbillies etc In fact it's acceptable to call them dumb, stupid, inbreds, whatever you want. There's no price to be paid for disparaging them anyway you want.

However, violent crime rates are nothing when compared to inner cites.

Which leads to a couple possible reasons.
1) because they are not in proximity to one another all the time as you find in crowded city neighborhoods, that either has a calming influence or the opportunity for crime doesn't appear as often.
2) the culture of inner city poor neighborhoods accept s crime as a way of life
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Reply #35 - 08/23/18 at 11:54:04
 
In a new twist:

In court records released Wednesday, Rivera's lawyer declared that "the Government knows Cristhian has legal status" and wrote that "Cristhian has complied with his documented status since arriving in the U.S.A. as a minor."

So, not illegal... but yes, still a murderer.

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Reply #36 - 08/23/18 at 13:13:56
 
...and the family is saying,.. quit using their murdered daughter as a political football...

Meanwhile,... Trump is trying for field goal... Roll Eyes

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Reply #37 - 08/23/18 at 13:37:32
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/23/18 at 13:13:56:
...and the family is saying,.. quit using their murdered daughter as a political football...

Meanwhile,... Trump is trying for field goal... Roll Eyes



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Reply #38 - 08/23/18 at 22:11:41
 
Illegal alien kills jogger, what is the point of this story. It's just another murder in a country rife with violence. Cue the white supremacists, isn't this proof that a big beautiful wall is needed? Yet a rich white American shoots 500 people, at a concert and it's like, 'meh'.
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Reply #39 - 08/23/18 at 22:18:08
 
@WebMark, My argument against the line of thinking that poverty and inequality are at the heart of this, involve comparing crime rates in the poorest areas of Missouri.

There is a proven correlation between poverty and crime and making abortion difficult or illegal. And that is because when an unwanted. baby is forced upon a mother it will more likely be resented and consequently be more inclined to the lack of nurture that leads to criminality.

Whereas if the mother was able to abort and then later choose to have a child when she was ready this child would be more likely to receive the attention that leads to a better individual.

This is an often overlooked aspect of abortion rights.
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Reply #40 - 08/24/18 at 04:51:25
 
Prove it.
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Reply #41 - 08/24/18 at 05:29:40
 
What would you consider to be a valid proof? Moms who made an abortion and later in life decided to become a mom and are happy with both decisions?

"I had an abortion about 6 years ago. The man who got me pregnant was an ex who I was trying to cut from my life because he was turning more abusive as the days went on. I mentioned one day that I was late, and was nauseous and he went out and bought a pregnancy test and made me take it. It was positive but the second I saw the positive, I knew what I had to do. I scheduled my appointment and two weeks later, went in for my appt. they administered the abortion pills and sent me home. I was 6 weeks pregnant and knew I had made the right decision for ME. having his baby would bring a terrible life for me and the child and I knew that. I have never looked back, never regretted it. I am now married to a wonderful man and we are expecting our first in June and we are so excited. I don't feel like a terrible person, or a heartless person. It was a decision I made and one that I accepted from day one."


Google will help you if you want to stack them up. Here is one additional story for your enjoyment, though https://thoughtcatalog.com/brighid-tomasik/2013/07/im-glad-that-i-had-an-abortio
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Reply #42 - 08/24/18 at 06:52:31
 
I wouldn't call it absolutely 'proved' but it's been studied ...

http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittTheImpactOfLegaliz...
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Reply #43 - 09/02/18 at 20:17:40
 
Mollie's father:

"Sadly, others have ignored our request. They have instead chosen to callously distort and corrupt Mollie’s tragic death to advance a cause she vehemently opposed. I encourage the debate on immigration; there is great merit in its reasonable outcome. But do not appropriate Mollie’s soul in advancing views she believed were profoundly racist. The act grievously extends the crime that stole Mollie from our family and is, to quote Donald Trump Jr., “heartless" and "despicable.”

http://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mollie-tibbetts-apos-father-wrote-180400606.html
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Reply #44 - 09/04/18 at 06:18:20
 
Kate Steinle's father said the same thing. In 1991, two sisters, who were active in anti-racism causes (whatever that means) who were raped and thrown to their deaths off the Chain of Rocks Bridge over the Mississippi River just north of St Louis. Their family didn't want their names used either because the killers were black.

In all cases, the families felt the victims wouldn't want their 'causes' used that way. I get that.

Doesn't change the fact that with better immigration enforcement, a united front from a political point of view, a Wall, jail time for executives who knowingly hire illegals......   this woman Kate and this woman Mollie would likely still be alive.

So sure, leave their names out of the debate, but keep the debate. As her father said, 'encourage the debate on immigration'
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