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08/22/18 at 05:56:06
 
Okay, so the left gets to spike the football today (perhaps on dirt covering the body of a 20 year old sacrificed to political correctness) but I'm having a hard time finding an article that lays out the charges. Some are campaign related and some, (like all of Manafords) are typical  crook business.

Is it illegal to pay someone money to not tell a story or is this illegal only if it comes from campaign funds?
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Reply #1 - 08/22/18 at 06:10:06
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/22/18 at 05:56:06:
Okay, so the left gets to spike the football today (perhaps on dirt covering the body of a 20 year old sacrificed to political correctness) but I'm having a hard time finding an article that lays out the charges. Some are campaign related and some, (like all of Manafords) are typical  crook business.

Is it illegal to pay someone money to not tell a story or is this illegal only if it comes from campaign funds?


It's the campaign fund angle that could be - or will be - a major problem.  But that might be small potatoes...

This first trial is just one step to see how deep our president and his businesses are in with russia.  His own sons have said the only way they've been able to finance their resorts have been with russian investors.

Cohen and manafort are going to shed light on just how much influence russia and its oligarchs (read - mafia) had on trump and his businesses.

It's no coincidence that manafort was tight with russian oligarchs and then went to work on trump's campaign.

This, as they say, is the tip of the iceberg.  Between cohen and manafort, things will be getting very ugly for our president. (couldn't happen to a nicer guy...)
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Reply #2 - 08/22/18 at 06:10:45
 
Below is a partial transcript of an interview which raises good points. This is what I was thinking. It can't be illegal to pay someone to be quiet or to pay for a signed nondisclosure agreement. Ive been involved in that as a personal manager in the past. Agreeing to pay cash or other assets and in return the other party agrees to confidentially. If Trump paid to keep two women quiet he had an affair with, that can't be a crime can it?

A campaign expenditure under our federal campaign laws is an expenditure solely for campaign activity. A candidate who spends his own money or even corporate money for an event that occurred not as a result of the campaign, it is not a campaign expenditure.

Let me give a few examples to help people understand this, especially the American people. Let’s say, I wrote these down. Let’s say a candidate had said we owe vendors a whole lot of money. We’ve had disputes with them. But I want you to go ahead and pay them. I’m a candidate, I don’t want all this negative publicity.

So he says to his private lawyer, you pay them, I’ll reimburse you, get it done. Is that illegal? It’s perfectly legal.

Yet according to the prosecution of the Southern District of New York it’s paid at the direction of the candidate to influence the election. Yes, Mr. Prosecutor, how stupid is your point? It’s not a crime.

More, let’s say that this candidate settles a lawsuit that was initiated before he becomes a candidate. And he says to his personal lawyer, I want you to pay, settle that lawsuit. You can use my corporate funds, my private funds, whatever it is. That is perfectly legal, too.

The prosecutor would say, but that influenced the election. So what? There are certain things you do that influence an election that are legal and certain things you do to influence an election that are illegal.

Let’s say a candidate gets a non-disclosure agreement from a disgruntled employee, and he wants to quiet that disgruntled employee as he goes into the election. He pays the funds out of his pocket or through his corporation. Perfectly legal.

Nothing here was spent out of the campaign. Nothing was done with the campaign or to the campaign. This is exactly what the federal law is.

Donald Trump is in the clear. Let’s say Donald Trump even directed Michael Cohen to make payments in non-disclosure agreements. So what? He is allowed to do that.

Now, here’s my question. Has the Southern District of New York ever paid money in a non-disclosure agreement with any of its employees? How about any U.S. attorney’s office in the United States? How about the Department of Justice? How about any business?
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Reply #3 - 08/22/18 at 07:02:40
 
This, as they say, is the tip of the iceberg.


Or ...... it's the whole iceberg and there's nothing else. If all we have is a lawyer caught stealing money elsewhere (nothing having to do with Trump) and pleading guilty to charges by a politically appointed prosecutor and not adjudicated by a judge or jury, all we have is a crook caught stealing and agreeing to be used as a pawn in a political war.

I'll wait to see more info, but from what I've read this morning, I see no crimes by Trump and if their were some, they're minor campaign violations which are technical in nature and not evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors.
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Reply #4 - 08/22/18 at 07:18:38
 
I can't decide whether the frog in the pot, or the digging your way out of a hole analogy is most appropriate here...
Time spent supporting this crook gets you hotter and/or deeper every day.
...but,... the time is coming...

Forget the two women he paid off... the big stuff is still coming.
Cohen's lawyer has announced Russian conspiracy testimony directly linking Trump to come.
This is bad...  This is treason.

Spike...
...and not as happily as you might believe.
I have no love for Trump,... but this is an embarrassment to America.
Notice how informed Eau is in Queensland... the world is watching this debacle unfold... and they are ahead of us in understanding.
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Reply #5 - 08/22/18 at 07:30:19
 
Notice how informed Eau is in Queensland
Be serious, EAU is a wacho with a near fatal case of TDS. He doesn't count.

Cohen's lawyer has announced Russian conspiracy testimony directly linking Trump to come.
This is bad...  This is treason.


I'll wait to see what this actually is because I've heard nothing but promises. From what I see in these charges, there's nothing significant. Trump paid off women to be quiet. Not a crime. The prosecutor is trying to allege this is altering the course of an election or something like that. As was pointed out in the transcript above, that's no different than settling a dispute with a vendor.

But like I said, show me Trump committed treason against the US, I'll be the first to dump him, but that's a big charge. Looking for dirty info on Hilary is not treason. Making a deal with Putin that as President, he'd weaken the US defenses so we'd be forced to cede control of something or accept weaker terms and in return Trump would get access to building rights..... that's something that's treason. I'd watch the video of the execution for that.
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Reply #6 - 08/22/18 at 08:11:03
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/22/18 at 07:02:40:
This, as they say, is the tip of the iceberg.


Or ...... it's the whole iceberg and there's nothing else. If all we have is a lawyer caught stealing money elsewhere (nothing having to do with Trump) and pleading guilty to charges by a politically appointed prosecutor and not adjudicated by a judge or jury, all we have is a crook caught stealing and agreeing to be used as a pawn in a political war.

I don't think so.  When it comes down to it, this isn't about politics.  This is about the shady business practices of our president and how he may be beholden to russian oligarchs - possibly tied directly to putin himself.

I'll wait to see more info, but from what I've read this morning, I see no crimes by Trump and if their were some, they're minor campaign violations which are technical in nature and not evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors.


Therein lies the nature of my iceberg comment.  We shall see indeed.
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Reply #7 - 08/22/18 at 08:18:15
 
I don't think so.  When it comes down to it, this isn't about politics.

Virtually everything that happens in DC is politics. There is nothing patriotic in this investigation just as there was nothing patriotic with Clinton's impeachment.

All this is politics.
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Reply #8 - 08/22/18 at 08:21:24
 
You're weighing a BJ against treason...  Grin
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WebsterMark wrote on 08/22/18 at 08:18:15:
I don't think so.  When it comes down to it, this isn't about politics.

Virtually everything that happens in DC is politics. There is nothing patriotic in this investigation just as there was nothing patriotic with Clinton's impeachment.

All this is politics.


No, I'm afraid not.  Our president may have broke the law, not just campaign finance rules.  This goes much deeper.  Possible money laundering, bank and tax fraud, along with colluding with a foreign government adds up.

Now, true, he's not even been charged with any of this.  But the fact that this is what the Mueller investigation is looking into, says quite a lot.

Go ahead and say what you will about Obama.  His policies, etc.  But at no time was he ever even suspected of the treasonous acts of our current president.

As I've said all along, there's a lot more to the story than what's being reported (IMHO).  trump's reputation precedes him - and not in a good way.  He's a questionable businessman that went to foreign banks once the US banks closed their doors on him.  That led to him going to the russians (that's not me saying it, that's his son's).
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Reply #10 - 08/22/18 at 08:30:10
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/22/18 at 08:21:24:
You're weighing a BJ against treason...  Grin



LOL - you beat me to the punch Sero!
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Reply #11 - 08/22/18 at 08:40:10
 
It is already clear and proven that Trump Jr was excited to meet with Russian spies to get dirt on Hillary,.. and Trump participated on a deceiving statement given to investigators...
That alone is at least treading the waters of treason...
..and much more is coming...  Mueller isn't twiddling his thumbs...

Clinton was investigated for Whitewater and 4 years later was nailed for a BJ...
Mueller got info on porno/playboy payoffs and passed it along to NY prosecutors... he's investigating collusion with an enemy state, and he's going to be distracted by dalliances...
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Reply #12 - 08/22/18 at 09:19:42
 
You're weighing a BJ against treason

No, I'm weighing it against a (pardon the pun) trumped-up allegation from hyper-partisans with no supporting evidence against treason.
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Reply #13 - 08/22/18 at 09:21:16
 
Clinton was investigated for Whitewater and 4 years later was nailed for a BJ...

That's a little bit of revisionist history or in actual time this is what we call fake news. he was nailed for perjury.
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Reply #14 - 08/22/18 at 09:22:32
 
It is already clear and proven that Trump Jr was excited to meet with Russian spies to get dirt on Hillary,.. and Trump participated on a deceiving statement given to investigators...
That alone is at least treading the waters of treason...


You would do well to get off the treason cho-cho train. It ain't going nowhere.
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