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Reply #16 - 08/29/18 at 11:20:33

WebsterMark wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:01:36:

The bottom line to what takes up to 75 of the conversations on here, deal with situations in which we do not have all the facts. All we have are what we read and watch from numerous resources, all of which have their own political bias to one degree or another.

Perhaps, but in this case (trump tower meeting) all the facts are out there on the table. It was lied about, plain and simple. The invite to jr was taken by him to get dirt on hillary.

From gladstone:
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin."

From jr (20 mins later):
"Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?"

Isn't it correct that of all the charges and guilty pleas brought so far, only two have anything to do with Trump and the 2016 election? And those two are based on a prosecutor's interpretation of an election law? Nothing's been adjudicated by a jury or judge.

Yes, for now.

So this is a back and forth based on our opinions and bias based on unreliable and often times proven to be false information, correct?

Let's be real for one moment mark. You know darn well- if this was an email to hillary - the right would have gone bonkers. Or had it been unearthed on Obama while he was president, there would have been impeachment hearings faster than you can blink.

I'll keep saying it - this isn't about me hating trump - this is about showing the hypocrisy that is obvious to everyone but him and his followers.

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Reply #17 - 08/29/18 at 11:30:26

Perhaps, but in this case (trump tower meeting) all the facts are out there on the table. It was lied about, plain and simple. The invite to jr was taken by him to get dirt on hillary.

From gladstone:
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin."

From jr (20 mins later):
"Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?"

Yea, I've read this. And the woman had nothing and wanted to talk about some Russian adoption law instead. He to.d all tnis and turned over these emails to Congress or some other investigation.

When the NY Times ask him, he told them the meeting was about a Russian adoption law and said nothing about what e thought the meeting was about.

Is this what you're talking about?

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Reply #19 - 08/29/18 at 11:36:24

WebsterMark wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:30:26:

Perhaps, but in this case (trump tower meeting) all the facts are out there on the table. It was lied about, plain and simple. The invite to jr was taken by him to get dirt on hillary.

From gladstone:
"This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin."

From jr (20 mins later):
"Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?"

Yea, I've read this. And the woman had nothing and wanted to talk about some Russian adoption law instead. He to.d all tnis and turned over these emails to Congress or some other investigation.

Well that's where you can plant your "we weren't in the room" flag. We will never know what the actual conversation was. But the fact is, the invite's intent was to get dirt on hillary from a russain national. It's right there in the email.

When the NY Times ask him, he told them the meeting was about a Russian adoption law and said nothing about what e thought the meeting was about.

Yeah, he was lying. Not hard to believe that a trump would lie.

Is this what you're talking about?

Yes... this is what I'm talking about.

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Reply #20 - 08/29/18 at 11:37:16

and we would have had one network "on our side" , not 7....NBC, CBs, ABC, PBS, BBC, CNN, MsNBC....

And do you the DeNiro would be accepting awards with a "F Obama" intro to wild applause? Would virtually the entire entertainment culture have united against Hilary?

No. The issue would have died. Like Fast and Furious for example.

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Reply #21 - 08/29/18 at 11:38:29

Web, you read the whole article?

This part:

Davis's firm provided political advice to a pro-Russian party in Ukraine during the parliamentary elections of 2006. McCain, on the other hand, backed President Viktor Yushchenko, a Western-oriented reformer who led 2004's Orange Revolution, which overturned what he and his allies considered an election stolen by the party helped by Davis's firm. McCain visited Ukraine to boost Yushchenko after he won a new election and even nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Is that meddling in politics of another country?

And again, this is Paul Manafort firm.

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Reply #22 - 08/29/18 at 11:43:02

Yeah, he was lying. Not hard to believe that a trump would lie.

Is this what you're talking about?

Yes... this is what I'm talking about.

Wait....... all this is about not telling a reporter the details of a private and confidential meeting?!!!!!! Seriously? That's it?

I thought you had something I didn't know about. Who gives a crap what Ttump Jr tells the press about a private meeting. That's not a lie. He told the investigators what really happened and gave them the email chain.

I'm a bit surprised you and apparently CNN think this is significant.

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Reply #24 - 08/29/18 at 11:53:47

WebsterMark wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:43:02:

Yeah, he was lying. Not hard to believe that a trump would lie.

Is this what you're talking about?

Yes... this is what I'm talking about.

Wait....... all this is about not telling a reporter the details of a private and confidential meeting?!!!!!! Seriously? That's it?

That's not enough??

I thought you had something I didn't know about. Who gives a crap what Ttump Jr tells the press about a private meeting. That's not a lie. He told the investigators what really happened and gave them the email chain.

I'm a bit surprised you and apparently CNN think this is significant.

And you don't? I wonder, had this been a hillary meeting, how would you have reacted? If this had been uncovered on Obama while he was president, I wonder what would have happened?

Like I said, keep it real.

The intent of the email is as plain as orange nose on trump's face.

What was said in the meeting will never be known. jr acted on the invite to get dirt on clinton from a russian national.

But yeah, since it's trump, you're ok with it.

I understand.

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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Oh......but I thought???? Reply #25 - 08/29/18 at 11:56:01 raydawg wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:47:06: Got dirt? Gee, wasn’t that the purpose of the Dossier from Steele? Yes, it was. But it was executed via a third party and not covered up/lied about. hillary was working above board. the trumpsters weren't. Huge difference ray.
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Oh......but I thought???? Reply #26 - 08/29/18 at 11:57:30 WebsterMark wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:32:48: real for one moment mark. You know darn well- if this was an email to hillary - the right would have gone bonkers. Yep. So? So what's good for one is not for the other? Pretty much the definition of hypocrisy. But at least you admit it.
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Reply #27 - 08/29/18 at 12:12:15

Wait....... all this is about not telling a reporter the details of a private and confidential meeting?!!!!!! Seriously? That's it?

That's not enough??

No! Are you under the impression politicians don't withhold information from reporters? And are you saying withholding that information is lying? And that 'lie' is actionable in a court of law?

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Reply #28 - 08/29/18 at 12:13:16

T And T Garage wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:56:01:

raydawg wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:47:06:

Got dirt?

Gee, wasn’t that the purpose of the Dossier from Steele?

Yes, it was. But it was executed via a third party and not covered up/lied about. hillary was working above board. the trumpsters weren't.

Huge difference ray.

Nobody lied. Not tell the press all the details is not a lie.

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Reply #29 - 08/29/18 at 12:17:00

WebsterMark wrote on 08/29/18 at 12:13:16:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:56:01:

raydawg wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:47:06:

Got dirt?

Gee, wasn’t that the purpose of the Dossier from Steele?

Yes, it was. But it was executed via a third party and not covered up/lied about. hillary was working above board. the trumpsters weren't.

Huge difference ray.

Nobody lied. Not tell the press all the details is not a lie.

How can you say nobody lied when there is no way the public will ever know what was discussed in that meeting?

The only thing we have to go on that is concrete is the email exchange. What was said or not said is impossible to prove.

You're only fooling yourself here mark.

There's probably a good reason they covered it up in the first place.

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