How can you say nobody lied when there is no way the public will ever know what was discussed in that meeting?

The only thing we have to go on that is concrete is the email exchange.  What was said or not said is impossible to prove.

You're only fooling yourself here mark.

There's probably a good reason they covered it up in the first place.

How do you know what anyone spoke about in a private meeting?
Seriously, you've judged him guilty because you don't like his father. You have nothing to go on. In fact, what you have to go one, his testimony to the congressional investigators, you are totally ignoring.

T And T Garage wrote on 08/29/18 at 11:56:01:

If it was so above ground then why disguise the payments as legal services?

verslagen1 wrote on 08/29/18 at 12:53:02:


It wasn't. It was called opposition research and the clinton campaign hired Marc Elias for it. In April 2016, Elias hired Fusion GPS to perform opposition research on trump.

It's a convoluted story for sure.  But suffice it to say, one was out in public, the other (trump) was being done in secret.

That remains to be seen.  Is collusion legal?

Collusion has a legal definition that I would think varies according to the circumstance.

I had a job once for a non-profit credit organization. Industry groups (truck rental companies, furniture rentals, tux rental industries for example) would  get together and share information on business scams they were seeing, new current credit card scams, and even specific individual names and/or company names who had ripped them off. The idea is if some crook figures out how to steal money using fake names, that info is passed along to the group so they know what to watch for.

Now, since everyone in the group is in the same industry, the temptation to 'collude' in various ways is always present. Price fixing, directing the market in one direction etc...My role in those meetings was to remind everyone in the beginning about the specific anti-trust regulations in effect at the time. This is going back a long time, but you may recall price fixing charges brought against ADM...

My job was to attend these meetings, observe and listen. They were mostly at lunch so I got a lot of great free food!

The point is collusion, in and of itself, is not illegal. At these meetings, companies could 'collude' in the sense they spoke in detail about their experiences collecting past due money and developed procedures they all put into effect in order to reduce fraud within the industry.

So no, collusion in and of itself, is not illegal.

And again, not to beat a dead horse - but if this were a dem, you think there'd be no outrage?  And you wouldn't be saying a word.

WebsterMark wrote on 08/29/18 at 14:04:53:


I guess we'll never know.
But you'll never see me defending hillary either.  So there's that.

verslagen1 wrote on 08/29/18 at 12:53:02:


Versy, it was no conflict, look:

Investigators are also probing Ohr’s relationship with Simpson. Ohr’s wife Nellie worked at Fusion as a Russian specialist and did research that formed part of the dossier. Government officials are not allowed to take actions in their official capacity that financially benefit family members, and Nellie was understood to be receiving significant income from Fusion GPS.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/29/18 at 16:42:29:


And let’s remember the server too  

That was sooooooo apparent and open