You can look him up if you are interested, he's on youtube and also widely discussed.

The reason I bring him up is because my brother and cousin see him as a man bringing forward the gospel of what's really happening in Europe. Islam and Muslims are the new evil (like the Jews were before and during WW2), and he use what he portrays as facts to support his views. He also use a very depicting language to play directly with people's emotion. Well dressed, well behaved with eloquent language skills, he portray a responsible, middle-aged white man with genuine concern for the future of Europe in particular and the world in general.

Another observation is that his disciples argue very much the same way as we do here regarding Trump - and that goes for both his supporters as well as us who see him as more or less a horror; both sides are equally convinced about their own correctness and cannot understand that anybody can be so stupid as to not grasp the obvious reality. The reality is somewhere in between the opposites, naturally.

Anyway, IMO Islam or Muslims are NOT the problem. Individuals who use the religion to control the population - usually illiterates - and create terrorists are. Going after groups and stigmatizing them instead of judging individuals is racism, nothing else. And there is nothing to suggest that Islamist will constitute even 10 % of the European population within the time span we can foresee, so the group will remain marginal. And the risk of being killed in a terrorist attack in Europe is next to zero. That doesn't mean we should not take terror in earnest, but that we also need to be realistic about it all.

This is worth reading IMO  https://www.newstatesman.com/2018/07/strange-death-europe-douglas-murray-review

Sweden has issues, but it is not primarily with Muslims; it is with immigrants and refugees being crammed together in ghettos. In some parts of Gothenburg, Malmo and Stockholm, as much as 90 % are foreigners. This again has created an environment for violence and lack of respect for the law. But if you feel good at placing the blame primarily on one group, go ahead and do so. It doesn't make it any more correct.

Note that I am not religious and in fact consider religion to be more negative than positive for humanity. Meaning I am not trying to defend a religion here. Instead, I try to create some balance and give some facts that can allow people to stop stigmatizing and also stop being afraid of something that isn't real. That's why I brought up the Jews' situation during the WW2 period; they were blamed for everything that was wrong and the leaders did what they could to spread hatred among the public against the Jews. Now, we see right wing leaders using Muslims as a "common enemy" that must be kept at bay before they "take over the world". I say bollox. Not that there aren't bad Muslims - there are bad people everywhere in every group - but that the vast majority of them are decent people like you and me. And they should be treated as individuals, not as a group.

You are disillusioned. Are there environments where this happens? Yes. Do they in any way represent the majority of Muslims? No. Just like Catholic priest raping kids are not representative for the common Catholic.

 If it weren't for Germans in WWII then a lot of people wouldn't have an argument for a lot of bad things.  The good ol' Nazi card has been used for generations.

faffi wrote on 09/03/18 at 06:33:38:


Yeah..... only anybody who voted for Trump is guilty of what Hitler did  

Be consistent at the least, geez.

"Also, I am NOT saying immigration doesn't come with challenges or is unproblematic. I am saying that blaming the Muslims for the troubles we are facing in some countries like Sweden is not the right answer; lack of proper integration is. "

 That's a good way to put it.

 Remember though its easier, a lot easier to just blame an entire group than to examine the problem from multiple angles.  Where I live if immigration was halted the agriculture would collapse, or the price of produce would by most estimates go up about 1300 percent.  But immigrants are involved in crime so the question is what do we want more, cheaper and accessible food or less immigrant crime.

faffi wrote on 09/03/18 at 13:57:22:


In this article, it cites a survey that says 9% of Muslims in Pakistan report a favorable viewpoint of groups like ISIS. Pakistan has population of about 200 million which means 18,000,000 people find blowing people up acceptable. Pakistan is one of those countries Trump wants to ban immigration. I'm ok with that.

So we’ve been strapping bombs to mentally disabled kids and sending them into restaurants have we?.....