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Eegore wrote on 10/22/18 at 06:46:05:"We take him seriously but we don't believe everything he says. You don't take him seriously, but you believe everything he says."
This is a good way to put it.
How I see it is that when you like someone you are more flexible with what they can get away with. A drunk friend who breaks a window is forgiven easier than a drunk stranger who breaks a window.
When you don't like someone you are more critical of everything they do. When a friend accidentally breaks a window they are forgiven easier, because accidents happen, than when that idiot you hate almost breaks a window. That jerk should watch what he's doing.
The sooner we see this in ourselves, and actively acknowledge it, the sooner we have selective arguments that get us somewhere than fights that just piss us off. That's fine, and I get where you're coming from, but that's not the entire story when it comes to this particular situation in my opinion.
For 8 years we listened to the conservatives b!tch and moan about "how terrible things were". For 8 years they nitpicked Obama and his administration, his personal activities, his religion, his wife, and on and on.
Now, in the age of trump - who anyone can see is a far worse human being (in terms of his supposed Christianity, his past affairs, his three marriages, etc.) - the conservatives call foul on the liberals and anyone else who opposes this man.
You want to talk policy? Fine. But don't try and tell everyone now that the rules of conduct are somehow different now that trump's in office.
Do you remember how trump himself criticized Obama for "golfing so much"? Do you remember how trump led the birther movement (while at the same time has a wife that had an anchor baby with him)?
I'll put this out there one more time - yeah, I hate trump the man. I don't think he's fit for office. His only "experience" was a reality TV show. He is so thin skinned, narcissistic, petty, childish and unintelligent that he brings the office of president down to the lowest level in our country's history.
The man deserves no respect because he shows no respect - period.
Now, that being said, the whole idea about whether or not to take a president's word seriously is unimaginable. Where do you draw the line? I'm not talking about you or I, I'm talking about the president. Has there ever been a president that has blatantly lied as much as trump? Has there ever been a president who addressed the general public with such disregard? Has there ever been a president to state categorically that "I alone can fix it"? The answer to those is "No".
Now, I get giving leeway. I totally understand being more tolerant of "your guy" is simply human nature - you stated it very well above. But what do you do when it's more than a broken window that your friend breaks? Where do you draw the line at forgiveness? When he runs his car into your garage door? When he burns down your house? When he kills your dog with his car?
You see Eegor - in my opinion, we've gotten far past that level of forgiveness. And to be clear, it has very, very little to do with the administration and everything to do with trump.
As anyone can see, the economy is continuing to improve (for now) - but let's be real, it's on the same path as Obama had it on. I think some things, like the "new NAFTA" could actually be an improvement. But that has very, very little to do with trump and everything to do with the administration.
Where have we gotten to in this country if we don't take every single statement from the president seriously? This isn't the "good old days". We live in a new world and everything a president says or does is on the record. For better or worse, that's where we are as a country. The president is expected to understand this and live by those rules.
If there really is a difference, how in the world can people make the distinction between what he states and what means?
We can't. That's not our job - that's his.
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