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Reply #30 - 11/05/18 at 10:57:14

It is like the title of this thread. It is ridiculous.

What, you either vote for Democrats or your a racist? Everyone that votes red is a racist?

The fact that the left paint's everyone that disagrees with their policies as a racist or homophobic or trans-phobic is something all you guys on left should be concerned about. It is just character assassination.

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Reply #32 - 11/05/18 at 11:01:52

MShipley wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:44:34:

I do not understand this pernicious view that if you want to follow the Laws set forth by our Government of the United States that you are racist.

It's not about being racist. No one is saying that the laws are anything but the laws.

What's racist is the attitude and the misinformation that drives that attitude.

The fact is - we're well over a month away from seeing any asylum seekers approach our southern border. Further, there is a process in place already that will assist in the situation.

But if you listen to conservative media - they are ready to break through the border at any minute. trump is peddling fear.

That is fear mongering. We have created a society that is soooooo afraid of labels that they will do anything, including the support of people breaking out laws in order to avoid being called racist.

Again m - no one is supporting any laws be broken.

The fear mongering is coming from the conservatives, not the liberals.

What the liberals are pointing out is that there is no "there" there. The caravan isn't even close to our border. This whole exercise in sending troops is nothing but a feeble attempt at trump showing how "tough" he is. Sad to say - the conservatives are drinking it in by the gallon.

Find out for yourself how the process works and where these migrants are right now. Find out what's still ahead of them and what their intent is.

When I look in Webster's under the word racism I do not see a definition "someone who believes in the enforcement of law"

I don't care if it is 100 or 10,000 people. It does not matter if they are brown, black, white or any other color. There is a process that is legal that they have to follow. If they do not follow those laws they are defined as criminals. And before you start on the refugee stuff there is NO conflict or War going on in Central America.

Don't you see? You and your conservative friends are condemning them before they even get here. No one wants them to break the law. If they do, then I agree, they should be prosecuted. No question.

But let's not put the cart before the horse. These people are risking it all at a chance for a better life. Most of our ancestors did the same thing. And like them, they will have to follow the laws of the country. (there really is a process in place for people seeking asylum)

It is really interesting that when I watch YouTube videos all I see is young able bodied men but when I watch the news all I see is women and children.

Well, there's your problem. Find out for yourself. Find out the truth. The real truth.

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Reply #33 - 11/05/18 at 11:04:10

verslagen1 wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:57:55:

T And T Garage wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:42:06:

The third is tiresome. The fact is, it's a woman's right to have an abortion. Just like it's a state's right to execute a criminal.

Are you really equating the unborn innocent with that of a convicted criminal?

I'm saying that if you call having an abortion "killing", then killing anyone is just that - killing.

I find it tough to believe that somehow capital punishment is fine, but abortion isn't.

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Reply #34 - 11/05/18 at 11:05:07

verslagen1 wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:57:55:

T And T Garage wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:42:06:

The third is tiresome. The fact is, it's a woman's right to have an abortion. Just like it's a state's right to execute a criminal.

Are you really equating the unborn innocent with that of a convicted criminal?

Oh, BTW, if you're a Bible follower, then you'd know that babies are born with original sin... so... not so innocent.

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Reply #35 - 11/05/18 at 11:11:22

MShipley wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:51:12:

TT said: The third is tiresome. The fact is, it's a woman's right to have an abortion. Just like it's a state's right to execute a criminal.

There was a time in this country that it was a woman's right to own a slave also. But that did not make it right or moral.

Besides it is a valid fear target of the left. What was the first thing that came up when Kavanaugh was nominated...... The left played on the fear that he would overturn Roe vs Wade.

Well, obviously, you care more for a fetus than you do a woman.

What if they determined that sperm = life. How far back are you willing to go to define life? It's impossible to determine the moment of conception in a woman (without scientific monitoring). So are you going to prosecute women who didn't know they were pregnant and caused a miscarriage because they stressed their bodies?

Where do we draw the line? When does a woman not get to choose what she does with her body?

Look I am not saying that the right is innocent but once again when are you guys going to realize that this back and forth pointing fingers only perpetuates the issue. The left is as guilty of fear mongering as the right is.

Again, I see the right's being founded in next to nothing. Case in point - the migrant caravan.

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Re: Midterms will be a referendum on racism.
Reply #36 - 11/05/18 at 11:33:14

T And T Garage wrote on 11/05/18 at 11:11:22:

Well, obviously, you care more for a ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

Pick something, and fill in the blanks.
Never mind debating a POV on a subject.
Never mind, giving a opinion on a subject.
Never mind, relating a experience about a subject.

Because it is rather clear,
if you do not BELIEVE, EXACTLY,
as the he/she called tt.
You are a, ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

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Reply #37 - 11/05/18 at 11:43:20

MnSpring wrote on 11/05/18 at 11:33:14:

T And T Garage wrote on 11/05/18 at 11:11:22:

Well, obviously, you care more for a ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

Pick something, and fill in the blanks.
Never mind debating a POV on a subject.
Never mind, giving a opinion on a subject.
Never mind, relating a experience about a subject.

Because it is rather clear,
if you do not BELIEVE, EXACTLY,
as the he/she called tt.
You are a, ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

Well mn- if you feel that strongly, then debate the issue. Stop acting like a child.

If you you think a woman should not be allowed to abort the fetus inside her, then how can my conclusion be in error? You must care more for the fetus than the woman. How is that inaccurate?

Debate it. Step up and show us all how you can...

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Reply #38 - 11/05/18 at 11:47:29

T And T Garage wrote on 11/05/18 at 11:05:07:

verslagen1 wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:57:55:

T And T Garage wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:42:06:

The third is tiresome. The fact is, it's a woman's right to have an abortion. Just like it's a state's right to execute a criminal.

Are you really equating the unborn innocent with that of a convicted criminal?

Oh, BTW, if you're a Bible follower, then you'd know that babies are born with original sin... so... not so innocent.

You've missed your calling... you could be a used car salesman. Although sales would be disappointing.

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Reply #39 - 11/05/18 at 11:49:11

verslagen1 wrote on 11/05/18 at 11:47:29:

T And T Garage wrote on 11/05/18 at 11:05:07:

verslagen1 wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:57:55:

T And T Garage wrote on 11/05/18 at 10:42:06:

The third is tiresome. The fact is, it's a woman's right to have an abortion. Just like it's a state's right to execute a criminal.

Are you really equating the unborn innocent with that of a convicted criminal?

Oh, BTW, if you're a Bible follower, then you'd know that babies are born with original sin... so... not so innocent.

You've missed your calling... you could be a used car salesman. Although sales would be disappointing.

Nope - no thanks. I'm not the salesman type.

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Reply #40 - 11/05/18 at 12:04:23

Well, obviously, you care more for a fetus than you do a woman.

What if they determined that sperm = life. How far back are you willing to go to define life? It's impossible to determine the moment of conception in a woman (without scientific monitoring). So are you going to prosecute women who didn't know they were pregnant and caused a miscarriage because they stressed their bodies?

Where do we draw the line? When does a woman not get to choose what she does with her body?

You twist everything! It really is amazing! Who said anything about legalities or legal action against women? I said the LEFT SELLS FEAR ALSO. The fear that you will not have access to abortion. It is one of the primary fears they sell.

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Reply #41 - 11/05/18 at 12:17:26

MShipley wrote on 11/05/18 at 12:04:23:

Well, obviously, you care more for a fetus than you do a woman.

What if they determined that sperm = life. How far back are you willing to go to define life? It's impossible to determine the moment of conception in a woman (without scientific monitoring). So are you going to prosecute women who didn't know they were pregnant and caused a miscarriage because they stressed their bodies?

Where do we draw the line? When does a woman not get to choose what she does with her body?

You twist everything! It really is amazing! Who said anything about legalities or legal action against women? I said the LEFT SELLS FEAR ALSO. The fear that you will not have access to abortion. It is one of the primary fears they sell.

OK, I see where you're coming from. But the fact is - unlike the mirant caravan, it's a fear based out of reality.

There is a concentrated effort on the right to restrict women's access to abortion. Some states are going as far as they can to make it all but impossible for those services.

The fact remains that it's still legal. And by states making more and more difficult for a woman to choose what she does, it brings us back to the days of "back alley docs" performing abortions.

Fear well founded.

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Reply #42 - 11/05/18 at 12:39:27

What if they determined that sperm = life. How far back are you willing to go to define life? It's impossible to determine the moment of conception in a woman (without scientific monitoring). So are you going to prosecute women who didn't know they were pregnant and caused a miscarriage because they stressed their bodies?

Where do we draw the line? When does a woman not get to choose what she does with her body?

[color=#0000ff][/color]I do not have a problem with life starting at conception. I also do not have a problem with the fact that there are some legitimate reasons to have an abortion. Women do have a choice. So do men. And by the way the killing of a child should not be solely the woman's choice. That child is also 1/2 the mans.

It becomes a problem when men and women want to use something as awful as abortion to relieve them from the responsibility they have to their own actions. Additionally, it is sad the way Liberals portray that an abortion is a meaningless procedure and that the life of the unborn child has no more value that the trash they put out in the garbage everyday.

Sorry but it is not Conservative values but Progressive values that brings a LACK OF VALUE to human life.

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Reply #43 - 11/05/18 at 13:05:04

MShipley wrote on 11/05/18 at 12:04:23:

What if they determined that sperm = life. How far back are you willing to go to define life? It's impossible to determine the moment of conception in a woman (without scientific monitoring). So are you going to prosecute women who didn't know they were pregnant and caused a miscarriage because they stressed their bodies?

To be technically correct, it is not the act that defines conception. The embryo must implant on the Uterine wall, if I remember correctly within 3 days. Up until then the french plan B will work.

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Reply #44 - 11/05/18 at 13:08:35

MShipley wrote on 11/05/18 at 12:39:27:

What if they determined that sperm = life. How far back are you willing to go to define life? It's impossible to determine the moment of conception in a woman (without scientific monitoring). So are you going to prosecute women who didn't know they were pregnant and caused a miscarriage because they stressed their bodies?

Where do we draw the line? When does a woman not get to choose what she does with her body?

[/color]I do not have a problem with life starting at conception. I also do not have a problem with the fact that there are some legitimate reasons to have an abortion. Women do have a choice. So do men. And by the way the killing of a child should not be solely the woman's choice. That child is also 1/2 the mans.

It becomes a problem when men and women want to use something as awful as abortion to relieve them from the responsibility they have to their own actions. Additionally, it is sad the way Liberals portray that an abortion is a meaningless procedure and that the life of the unborn child has no more value that the trash they put out in the garbage everyday.

Sorry but it is not Conservative values but Progressive values that brings a LACK OF VALUE to human life.

Funny you say that. Look at the compassion shown by us "terrible liberals" to those trying to make a better life for themselves, compared to the right wing militia arming themselves, ready to shoot those that seek asylum.

Look at the welfare programs that have been instituted by us "terrible liberals". The same programs that the republicans want to gut.

Look at how we "terrible liberals" fight for equal rights of minorities and women compared to the likes of the white nationalists that identify themselves as republicans.

How many times do we have to say it? Being pro-choice is not condoning abortion. It's supporting a woman's right to choose. What a woman does does with her body is between her, her doctor and her faith.

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