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The trump Effect
11/05/18 at 06:24:46
 
It's in full force on the under-informed and overly-armed.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/armed-militia-groups-head-border-124852355.html

So tell us all again how trump isn't riling up violent tendencies in his base.

Tell us all how "great" it is to have unchecked, unsanctioned, uninformed militias standing at the border.

How can so many people be so uninformed?

The migrant caravan is nearly 800 miles from the US border and moving at about 20 miles per day.  Do the math.
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Reply #1 - 11/05/18 at 06:53:03
 
Says the man whose language and attitudes inspire the violence of antifa, BLM.

Your constant talk of fear is in a fact itself a fear tactic. Labeling anyone who dare think outside what's deemed approved speech a racist the worst. If everyone's a racist, no one's a racist. If everyone's Hitler, no one's Hitter.

Language followed by violence is how you'll finally destroy this nation. You'll change definitions to suit you and then you'll enforce youe code.

Leftist were always going to win. Trump is a temporary reprieve. He's a switchback you have to navigate on your way to the edge.

Tomorrow's an important day. I'm not really sure if your eventual victory in leading us over the edge starts tomorrow or if it's delayed for 2 or 4 or 6 more years. We'll see.
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Reply #2 - 11/05/18 at 08:32:18
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/05/18 at 06:53:03:
Says the man whose language and attitudes inspire the violence of antifa, BLM.

Sorry mark, that's just not true.  At every single display of violence, I've been consistent in condemning it - left or right.

Your constant talk of fear is in a fact itself a fear tactic. Labeling anyone who dare think outside what's deemed approved speech a racist the worst. If everyone's a racist, no one's a racist. If everyone's Hitler, no one's Hitter.

Again, you're sadly mistaken.  I've never labeled any one person a "hitler".  I've only pointed out the fact that those types of individuals who display the same outlook as hitler or the nazis are in fact, members of the republican party of today.

My claims of racism are well founded.  It's not tough to see that trump's first announcement of running for president was a blatant, racist commentary on Mexican immigrants.  Further, his bans on Muslims was yet another attempt at stemming the influx of brown people into this country.  And every day there are more "dog whistle" racist statements coming from the likes of steve king and dozens of other republicans.

Let me remind you - the only racial slur I've ever encountered on this little forum happened to come from the most prolific conservative poster on here.  He then tried to turn it around on everyone else saying that he was "frustrated".


Language followed by violence is how you'll finally destroy this nation. You'll change definitions to suit you and then you'll enforce youe code.

What you just described is exactly what's been happening with the far right in recent weeks.  The bombs, the shootings, the fear mongering from the president - all of it resides on the right, not the left.

Leftist were always going to win. Trump is a temporary reprieve. He's a switchback you have to navigate on your way to the edge.

It's not "leftists" mark.  It's anyone who has a shred of common decency and compassion for others.  This president is not a "switchback" - he's a full blown disgrace.  He has done one thing though - he's shown us all what complacency can do to a country.  Those who didn't vote or didn't care are seeing what their inaction has done.

Tomorrow's an important day. I'm not really sure if your eventual victory in leading us over the edge starts tomorrow or if it's delayed for 2 or 4 or 6 more years. We'll see.


It's sad that you see it that way.

I'm glad most of the country does not.

I'm proud that our country as a whole is better than that.
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Reply #3 - 11/05/18 at 09:24:19
 
I'm thrilled to see young patriots go protect the border.
Like volunteer firefighters, protecting the town..
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The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke.
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Reply #4 - 11/05/18 at 10:28:13
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/05/18 at 09:24:19:
I'm thrilled to see young patriots go protect the border.
Like volunteer firefighters, protecting the town..


Motivated not by love of country, but by fear.

Otherwise, they'd be serving in the military.

Bunch of wannabes.
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Reply #5 - 11/05/18 at 12:29:15
 
"I'm thrilled to see young patriots go protect the border.
Like volunteer firefighters, protecting the town.."


 Similar but volunteer firefighters still receive consistent training, physicals, competency evaluations and are supplied the tools they need to do their volunteer work.  This is because someone will get killed if you just let anyone start trying to put out fires, administer first-responder care, or cut people out of crushed vehicles.

 Young patriots don't work with CBP, ICE or others and in that respect they become part of the liability and risk along their areas of interaction.  A lot of them are unaware that ICE and USFM will dress and interact like migrant workers to gain information about recent crossing locations.  So when it comes time to shoot someone to protect against the invasion, they may be shooting US Citizens in the line of work.  That's just one of the many ways things can go wrong when you mix agencies, competency and training levels, intel, and procedure among too many groups.  Its a recipe for disaster no matter what field of work you look at.

 I'm all for Young patriots assisting, but not doing it in a way that doesn't utilize comprehensive and intelligent methods of integration.

 
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Reply #6 - 11/05/18 at 15:57:41
 
not doing it in a way that doesn't utilize comprehensive and intelligent methods of integration.

not doing it in a way that doesn't utilize comprehensive and intelligent methods of integration.



Pretty words.
What do they mean?
My thinking is
STOP invaders from entering.
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Reply #7 - 11/05/18 at 17:10:24
 
Eegore wrote on 11/05/18 at 12:29:15:
"...  I'm all for Young patriots assisting, but not doing it in a way that doesn't utilize comprehensive and intelligent methods of integration."  

Not a English PHD, (Like some think they are)
so will comment on the statement:
“…but not doing it in a way that doesn’t utilize comprehensive and intelligent methods of integration…”

Believing the statement is to mean that the; ‘Young patriots assisting’, should be doing that in a way, that integrates with the, ‘official’, people involved in that effort"

Then should the word, ’Not’ be removed, and the word, ‘Doesn’t’, changed to ‘does’ ?
So it would say:
“…but doing it in a way that does utilize comprehensive and intelligent methods of integration…”

Excepting the paraphrases of useful speak, or word crafting, their seems to be some confusion in determining the matter at hand. Concerning  the proper method to communicate a particular idea, in a format, where nuances are not given to not be, not used, in not the correct format.
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
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Reply #8 - 11/05/18 at 17:40:16
 
"Pretty words.
What do they mean?
My thinking is
STOP invaders from entering. "
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 The context is poor as I said that without reading it, MNSpring's post should have cleared it up.  It does not actually not clear it up I believe.

 The words mean that people with no information about how border enforcement is currently being practiced show up and say they will arrest or shoot people crossing the border.  Stop the invasion, simple, grab my gun and drive to the border and keep people out.  That's like someone saying riding a bike, simple, turn the key, use the throttle and stay upright.

 Utilizing your example that's the equivalent of a volunteer firefighter showing up with a garden hose, a bucket and a CPR card saying they are ready to fight fires, and save lives.

 Real volunteer firefighters receive ongoing training or they can't show up to emergency calls.  Not so with young patriots.
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Reply #9 - 11/06/18 at 04:42:54
 
The Trump Effect
Cause derangement in the uneducated and uneducable, worldwide.

Watching it happen.
WINNING
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Re: The trump Effect
Reply #10 - 11/06/18 at 06:40:32
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/06/18 at 04:42:54:
The Trump Effect
Cause derangement in the uneducated and uneducable, worldwide.

Watching it happen.
WINNING



That voice in your head is very convincing to you I see.

I hope you're happy with each other....
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