Fox News is happy to allow Trump to bullshit by reporting his garbage...

Speaking to Fox News host Sean Hannity in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, Trump criticized the Obama administration's path and said that, "if their agenda kept going forward" the economy would have deteriorated.

"We were going down. It was very bad when I took it over and if we didn’t open it up and cut regulations, the whole Obama thing would’ve collapsed," the president said on Fox News Channel. "It would’ve been a disaster."



If the trend continued. Let's look at the stock market under various presidents... https://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president looks to be worse than Obama.

What about jobs created...

Again, the trend is Upward. As we all knew. this is even more interesting because Obama inherited Bush's mess then had to contend with the financial crisis, after he steadied the ship it was an upward trend all the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_created_during_U.S._presidential_terms

And it's the same with all the other economic metric. Truth is that Trump came in riding on Obama's work. He had to turn it around. And the trend was only UP.

Even though we all know this, Trumps supporters talk about Kavanaugh's accusers 'lying' with no evidence, yet are unconcerned about the total bullsh!t that Trump peddles.

Eegore wrote on 11/06/18 at 07:42:34:

 I don't think anyone here is interested in using actual numbers to facilitate making an educated opinion.    This is my observed reality.

That is true.
And I believe it is because of the ’Spin’, put on the numbers,
depending on the point one want’s to make.

A perfect example is the number of ’school’ shootings.
People believe a, ’school’ shooting, is when someone goes into a school, and shoots.
Yet the, anti-gun people, count, the above,
and absolutely anything to do with a gun,
that happens on school property, to falsely inflate the numbers to their favor.
Not to report the 'actual' numbers.
But to install Fear, by inflating the numbers.
Exactly the same as HRC saying, (to the like): 'Anyone can buy, any gun from anybody, off the internet, just like a Tea Cup from f-bay".
A statement to induce, fear, to the people that do not know it is False, and incomplete.

People, See the Spin, and are now skeptic.

So, Where do the numbers come from?
Who is saying, ’these numbers …’
How were the numbers compiled.
and many more questions.

I believe this as a good thing,
it used to be the Media said: ‘ It is all the fault of A because …’,
and people Believed it, without question.
Today, they question.
Well some.  The Sheepl still believe what ever Media they believe in.
Some actually believe in the, ‘Justice League’.

 I understand that statistics, data, information, articles, media, opinions, observations etc. all contribute to our perception of the world around us and how we interact with it.  All of those values contribute at various percentages at different times.

 I do not personally make a lot of choices based off of word of mouth, I like to see numbers, preferably double-blind or placebo controlled studies but those don't apply to all situations.  My comment here isn't to imply that I do not utilize "presupposition and opinion" or that I would never utilize word of mouth to make an assessment of a situation.

 To clarify:

 The phrase "observed reality" is used on this forum more than other forums or discussion I regularly take part in.  Also there is more selective data use here than in other forums or discussions I regularly take part in.  An example is atmospheric CO-2, where ocean based plant life makes up the largest contributing factor, but for some reason that information is not to be used when discussing, calculating, analyzing or developing an opinion about atmospheric CO-2 numbers.  That is selective data.

 If I am in New York at work global warming is BS because its colder than ever there, and if I am in Colorado global warming is happening because its warmer than ever there, thus observed reality.  All I am saying is that this happens more here, than other forums or discussions I take part in regularly.

Eegore wrote on 11/06/18 at 08:37:32:


Eegore, I want to sincerely apologize. When I wrote that response I thought I was responding to eau.  Yes I agree that you are one of the ones out here that try's to see things clearly. Again my apologies.

Eegore, I want to sincerely apologize."  No need but thanks for the clarification.

I do not want to hinder what little civility we do have out here.

Somewhere we have wandered off the thread topic, if we were ever on it.

To clarify. ALL the economic trend indicators when Obama was running the ship were UP, The trends were UP,

Then Fox reports that Trumps says if things continued like that it would be very bad because it was down. This is insane.

Eau - Eegore is very astute and seems to have a very, very dry sense of humor.  You gotta give the guy credit!