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Re: GM
Reply #15 - 11/27/18 at 10:09:57
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/26/18 at 18:25:45:
You know trump hasn't been able to play any golf, zero, none, since he was elected.



ummm....  seriously?   dude, tell me you're just joking there.  otherwise, what can we do to get you back down to reality?  I'm not kidding. I'm showing real concern for you if you actually believe that.
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Reply #16 - 11/27/18 at 10:19:37
 
https://autoweek.com/article/car-news/ford-will-stop-selling-sedans-north-ame...

From April 2018. GM just got the memo.


https://nordic.businessinsider.com/best-selling-cars-and-trucks-in-america-in...

Six sedans in the top twenty and none of them are domestic.

Gotta make what folks want to buy if you plan on staying in business.

ps. you have to cut and paste the  links because of the way this site word wraps them







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Reply #17 - 11/27/18 at 11:17:26
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/27/18 at 05:27:39:
If you think GM's decision had anything to do with the current President, you are monumentally ignorant and you should probably stop talking. This story is being spun that they are closing plants in this city or that city because that's the media's way of damaging Trump. Like our fool TT here, they publish a quote from a single individual in an unfortunate spot to paint the image of widespread uneasiness. (funny they never prominently present the loss an Angel Mother feels, but that's another story) .  

GM is closing plants making cars whose appeal is waning and sales are going no where. It's the normal course of business and while unfortunate, it happens.

If you want to do something about it, go buy a LaCrosse....otherwise, shut up.


absolutely the economy is very complicated. just as long as you've NEVER blamed Obama for the economy under him, then it wouldn't be fair to blame Trump for the economic decisions companies make under him.  

fair enough?

this is kind of how I see it, Trump and republicans bend over backward to give the rich and corporations everything they want to encourage growth, they reduce regulations, they give them money via tax cuts, (and screwing over medicaid, medicare, ss, and other welfare programs to seem "fiscally responsible",  they cut banking regulations so they can get money easier and quicker, etc...  and yet, the economy does what it does....

the democrats want to increase QUALITY of life and support measures along those lines, are they right on with their cost/benefit analysis... maybe not, but they are trying to serve the people, and occasionally they try to appease the corporations, but for the most part they know the economy is going to do what it does, and they do try to move somewhat slowly as to not burden the economy too much, or maybe they move slowly because of partisan opposition, idk,


now, DON'T IGNORE THIS:  

the above are two generalities, neither is even 80% accurate, yes, there are very corporatist democrats that will just do what their donors want, and there are principled republicans that see an abundance of overspending in our government that they'd like to streamline.  

and yes there are more differences than just that, but as far as an economic view, I think that's fairly fair.  The economy is going to do what it does, you can either kiss up to corporations and screw us the people, or you can protect the people and risk losing corporations.  

And to be fair, I'm not demonizing Trump for renegotiating trade deals or addressing other economic issues, like currency manipulation, NAFTA 2.0 was probably about due, not sure it really did much though, but it's progress, But his tactics of tariffs is crap, and his tactics of being rude to our allies is crap, and his isolationist/nationalist BS is terrifying.

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Reply #18 - 11/27/18 at 11:49:34
 
you can either kiss up to corporations and screw us the people, or you can protect the people and risk losing corporations.  

I would suggest this sentence represents a major flaw in your thinking / philosophy.

Have you ever worked for a poor person?
Is there a successful socialist nation? (a nation that 'protects the people' at the expense of corporations / business?)
A nation run by capitalist according to your philosophy should demonstrate an enormous income gap while a nation run by protecting the people should demonstrate a equitable income range. Is that true?
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Reply #19 - 11/27/18 at 12:58:25
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/27/18 at 11:49:34:
you can either kiss up to corporations and screw us the people, or you can protect the people and risk losing corporations.  

I would suggest this sentence represents a major flaw in your thinking / philosophy.

Have you ever worked for a poor person?
Is there a successful socialist nation? (a nation that 'protects the people' at the expense of corporations / business?)
A nation run by capitalist according to your philosophy should demonstrate an enormous income gap while a nation run by protecting the people should demonstrate a equitable income range. Is that true?



and that flaw, as I said, which you seem to have ignored, even after I told you not to, is a generalization, of course there is nuance and it's more complicated than just that, UNLIKE YOU AND YOUR ILK, I actually understand that the devil is in the details and it's not all just black and white


yes, I work for poor people all the time, they buy the product we make at my company, they are our customer, they are our boss.  without people poorer than your CEO buying whatever is manufactured, YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB.  

yes, Sweden, Norway, France, Germany, the UK,  etc...  they all pay health insurance, they all pay college...   NO ONE is asking to be Cuba or Venezula, which are DICTATORSHIPS not democratic socialist you have no idea what you are talking about, learn something besides your far right wing conservative talking points.  can you? do you even dare try?  

and again YES, in Europe the income inequality is much more fair
https://www.vox.com/2018/7/29/17627134/income-inequality-chart

these are all REALITIES you are blind to by your extremist conservative dogma BS.  

deal with it

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Reply #20 - 11/28/18 at 05:30:24
 
yes, I work for poor people all the time, they buy the product we make at my company, they are our customer, they are our boss.  without people poorer than your CEO buying whatever is manufactured, YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB.

That's a suitable explanation for a 5th grade civics class, but its not really a valid point in this discussion now is it?

You work for a rich guy, I work for a rich guy. When he gets richer, I get richer. I don't care how much money he makes, I only care how much I make. If I'm not happy, I go find another rich guy to work for. If it were my thing (which its not) I'd figure out something I could do and be my own boss.

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Reply #21 - 11/28/18 at 16:24:41
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/28/18 at 05:30:24:
yes, I work for poor people all the time, they buy the product we make at my company, they are our customer, they are our boss.  without people poorer than your CEO buying whatever is manufactured, YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB.

That's a suitable explanation for a 5th grade civics class, but its not really a valid point in this discussion now is it?

You work for a rich guy, I work for a rich guy. When he gets richer, I get richer. I don't care how much money he makes, I only care how much I make. If I'm not happy, I go find another rich guy to work for. If it were my thing (which its not) I'd figure out something I could do and be my own boss.




no, you're in 1st grade still!!!

jeesh

the only way I get richer, is if the COMPANY GROWS buy selling to MORE POOR PEOPLE.  the richness of the owner of the company I work for means NOTHING to my bank account.

your rich guy WORKS FOR THE POOR PEOPLE HE'S SELLING TO.  

no wonder so many like you believe in trickle down, you have no clue as to how business works.
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Reply #22 - 11/28/18 at 18:36:38
 
That won't leave a mark.
It Should
But it won't.
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Reply #23 - 11/29/18 at 04:48:47
 
i deleted my post jog, in retrospect, it was out of line. but you're right, it wouldn't have registered with him anyway.
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Reply #24 - 11/29/18 at 08:18:41
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 11/28/18 at 18:36:38:
That won't leave a mark.
It Should
But it won't.



Care to recant your golf statement?
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Reply #25 - 11/29/18 at 09:00:37
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/29/18 at 04:48:47:
i deleted my post jog, in retrospect, it was out of line. but you're right, it wouldn't have registered with him anyway.


chicken??   come on say it.   it's not like you've been right about anything so far, what do you have to lose?
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Reply #26 - 11/29/18 at 09:08:32
 
GM isn't laying people off because they're losing money, they had a good year in profits this year. it's not about making money, it's about the future of the company and the GROWTH they want, they cant' get that growth from the plants they are closing, their shareholders all made MORE money this year than last, yet they didn't trickle it down did they?  no, they shut it down and laid off 50,000 people

this idea that rich people trickle down their "excess" money on those that work for them, or that the little extra they spend on yachts and luxury goods actually motivate the economy needs to die, it's ludicrous and not based in reality AT ALL.  

encouraging investment encourages GROWTH, that's the only way, not blanket tax cuts in the hopes and prayers that these people have some misguided guilt complex that they have to trickle it down on their subordinates
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Reply #27 - 11/29/18 at 09:27:58
 
LostArtist wrote on 11/29/18 at 09:08:32:
encouraging investment encourages GROWTH, that's the only way, not blanket tax cuts in the hopes and prayers that these people have some misguided guilt complex that they have to trickle it down on their subordinates

Where does this investment capital come from?
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Reply #28 - 11/29/18 at 09:29:23
 
T And T Garage wrote on 11/26/18 at 17:25:47:
 Cenk is intelligent.  

Just a quick  notification,
(your post above reminded me of what you want)

Found some OCEAN front lots in NE.
How many do you want ?


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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #29 - 11/29/18 at 09:34:08
 
MnSpring wrote on 11/29/18 at 09:29:23:
T And T Garage wrote on 11/26/18 at 17:25:47:
 Cenk is intelligent.  

Just a quick  notification,
(your post above reminded me of what you want)

Found some OCEAN front lots in NE.
How many do you want ?



Johnny come lately?

Hey mn - you're the only one who thinks that's funny.  Well, maybe your bub buds do too.

But, it's really not.

Nice try though.  Keep up the great work.  Keep showing us all how well you represent the conservatives on here and throughout the US!
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