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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Finally 11/28/18 at 05:56:57 A reporter puts the moron on the canvas. Enough of the lies. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-fact-checked-by-reporter_us_... Well done Paula Reid!
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14448 Gender:	Re: Finally Reply #1 - 11/28/18 at 07:16:25 What does 'prosecuted at the border' mean?
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10589 Minn Gender:	Re: Finally Reply #2 - 11/28/18 at 09:36:00 T And T Garage wrote on 11/28/18 at 05:56:57: A reporter puts the moron on the canvas. So, without, LYING. With out, SPINNING. With Out, PARROTING. Explain exactaly why, the policy's are different.
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Reply #3 - 11/28/18 at 10:53:50

The Facts

There is simply no comparison between Trump's family separation policy and the border enforcement actions taken by the Obama and George W. Bush administrations. (After a public outcry, Trump in late June signed an executive order to end family separations.)

Obama had guidelines that prioritized the deportation of gang members, national security risks and felons. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of that framework and scrapping the priority list. Trump's January 2017 order refers only to "criminal offenses," which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies and misdemeanors.

But the key difference here is that in April, the Justice Department rolled out a "zero tolerance" policy of prosecuting all adults caught crossing the border illegally. As a result of this and the Department of Homeland Security's decision in May to refer all illegal-crossing cases to federal prosecutors, families apprehended at the border were systematically separated. The reason is simple: Children can't be prosecuted with their parents.

This is worlds apart from the Obama- and Bush-era policy of separating children from adults at the border only in limited circumstances, such as when officials suspected human trafficking or another kind of danger to the child, or when false claims of parentage were made.

"The biggest difference really is the difference between a policy that is targeted and tailored to protect a child and a policy which essentially uses children as a way to punish the parents or to deter them from doing the thing that we don't want them to do," said Cecilia Muñoz, who oversaw immigration as director of Obama's domestic policy council. "The scale as a result is very different and the impact is very different."

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/factcheck/ct-fact-che...

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Reply #4 - 11/28/18 at 12:33:23

Assuming the story is correct, did they have the same policy? No, not really. Some very clear difference despite the fact that both had parameters that allowed for separations. But, I'm not getting worked up over what you think is a major lie. I don't see this as any different than if you like your plan, you can keep you plan or a million other similar comments every President says.

But in my opinion we should arrest adults crossing the border, with or without children especially since it's not entirely clear if the child is theirs or not. I've read of plenty of cases where children not their own were being used to circumvent the system. The 'catch and release' was worthless when the vast majority never returned for their hearings. Look, if we catch a parent robbing a store with his child in the car, we don't let him go.

It's a tough spot to be in for sure. We've got to control the border better and the illegals are learning to use children basically as human shields. Perhaps the reason is because the previous policy essentially laid out a blueprint on how to get into the country.

Another reason why we need to build a wall.

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Reply #5 - 11/28/18 at 13:42:32

WebsterMark wrote on 11/28/18 at 12:33:23:

Assuming the story is correct, did they have the same policy? No, not really. No, not at all.
Some very clear difference despite the fact that both had parameters that allowed for separations. But, I'm not getting worked up over what you think is a major lie. I don't see this as any different than if you like your plan, you can keep you plan or a million other similar comments every President says. - LOL, I love that that's about the only thing you and your pals can come up with on Obama! Oh, and btw - he was taken to task on it - day in and day out by the media. What a short memory you have.

You missed the point completely.

But in my opinion we should arrest adults crossing the border, with or without children especially since it's not entirely clear if the child is theirs or not. I've read of plenty of cases where children not their own were being used to circumvent the system. The 'catch and release' was worthless when the vast majority never returned for their hearings. Look, if we catch a parent robbing a store with his child in the car, we don't let him go.

It's a tough spot to be in for sure. We've got to control the border better and the illegals are learning to use children basically as human shields. Perhaps the reason is because the previous policy essentially laid out a blueprint on how to get into the country.

Another reason why we need to build a wall.

It's not about the policy. It's about the blatant lie - the constant stream of lies. The lies that you and your buddies just overlook.

The lies that the media overlooks - until someone like Paula Reid comes along and says "enough!".

That's the point mark. He lied. He got caught and just walked away.

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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 29042 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Finally Reply #6 - 11/28/18 at 13:54:24 Are you insinuating that the migrants don't have red headed children? That they all look alike?
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14448 Gender:	Re: Finally Reply #7 - 11/28/18 at 13:55:52 LOL, I love that that's about the only thing you and your pals can come up with on Obama! Hardly. he was taken to task on it - day in and day out by the media Not hardly. blatant lie Hardly a blatant lie. [b]He got caught and just walked away[b] I'll bet he hardly remembers the incident.
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Reply #8 - 11/28/18 at 14:03:01

WebsterMark wrote on 11/28/18 at 13:55:52:

LOL, I love that that's about the only thing you and your pals can come up with on Obama!
Hardly.

Ok then - list some more for us.

he was taken to task on it - day in and day out by the media
Not hardly.

You really believe that? How did you miss all this?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/10/30/healthcare-plans-obama-doctors/...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrisconover/2013/01/22/will-obamacare-make-obama...

http://www.newsmax.com/fastfeatures/barack-obama-scandal-jon-stewart/2015/02/...

I got plenty more.

blatant lie
Hardly a blatant lie.

bla·tant
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adjective
(of bad behavior) done openly and unashamedly.
"blatant lies"

trump knew his policy was different. He blatantly lied.

[b]He got caught and just walked away[b]
I'll bet he hardly remembers the incident.

I'll bet you're right. He has no clue what lies he's told from one day to the next. There are literally thousands that he's told.

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14448 Gender:	Re: Finally Reply #9 - 11/28/18 at 14:40:03 I know you don't understand this, but this is not a big deal. I'll tell you when he lies on an important topic. Until then, sit back and reap the benefits of Trump.
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10589 Minn Gender:	Re: Finally Reply #10 - 11/28/18 at 14:47:30 T And T Garage wrote on 11/28/18 at 10:53:50: The Facts So, You LIED. You, SPUN. And you, PARROTED.
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Finally Reply #11 - 11/28/18 at 14:59:40 MnSpring wrote on 11/28/18 at 14:47:30: T And T Garage wrote on 11/28/18 at 10:53:50: The Facts So, You LIED. You, SPUN. And you, PARROTED. Show me where I lied. Show me where I spun. If you think that posting an article is "parroting" - then you're guilty of that as well. NBD
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Reply #12 - 11/28/18 at 15:04:23

WebsterMark wrote on 11/28/18 at 14:40:03:

I know you don't understand this, but this is not a big deal. I'll tell you when he lies on an important topic. Until then, sit back and reap the benefits of Trump.

Having our president get caught in a blatant lie is "not a big deal"? So I suppose the fact that our president lies on a daily basis is also "not a big deal", huh?

Fine mark. Roll yourself up tight in that little cocoon of trump's hair and be happy. Meanwhile, the rest of the waking world will see exactly what's happening and will be doing something about it.

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 14448 Gender:	Re: Finally Reply #13 - 11/28/18 at 15:09:00 Yea, you'll be doing something about it. You'll cash bigger checks and live in a more secure country. You're welcome.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29686 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Finally Reply #14 - 11/28/18 at 15:11:37 Obama lies,.. it's a scandal... Trump lies,... it's a Tuesday...
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