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11/30/18 at 05:33:18
 
Just read an interesting CDC report. 3rd year in a row life expectancy in the US had decreased. The reason is centered on men age 25-44, huge jump in rural counties and suicides. The root cause is in all is likely fentanyl and similar drugs.

I knew a 65 year old very active man at church, a farmer, who had shoulder surgery and quicky got hooked on pain killers. He'd never smoked weed and probably had a single bottle of wine cumulative his entire life. Took him a while to break free. Of course Rush Limbaugh famously got hooked after ear surgery. Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, is calling on Trump to send hit squads in to China to kill leaders of fentanyl drug gangs after his stepson overdosed.

Other than the farmer I mentioned, I don't personally know anyone on fentanyl, or maybe I do and don't know it. But numbers don't lie, this has reached a level where the associated deaths are large enough to impact nationwide statistics.

Maybe this is a little off target, maybe not, but this is another reason I'm 100% against legalized marijuana. Why would we encourage methods to so dramatically alter your perception? As a society, we already have learned to live with the good and bad of alcohol.  Why add another?

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Reply #1 - 11/30/18 at 05:44:09
 

 They legalized marijuana years ago in my state.  The amount of overdoses from it are zero, while we would see heroine and fentanyl every day in the hospital.

 With legalization thus far there has not been an increase in suicide, crime or vehicle deaths, however chronic narcotic use is down.  The initial concerns that legalized recreational marijuana would cause an increase in ER visits has not materialized, there has actually been a reduction due to many chronic pain relief seekers and cancer patients finding resolution in CBD and other marijuana related substances.

 I personally had no opinion regarding marijuana other than it should be treated like alcohol, no public consumption, and must be of age.  I wasn't sure what the results would be, but so far there has been no increase in medical care needs (actually a decrease) and no crime increase, so I can't say marijuana is much of an influence other than the huge economic impact.
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Reply #2 - 11/30/18 at 05:53:19
 
I question the validity of those statistics, meaning I think they are manipulated to hide the truth. It makes no common sense that there have been no crime or vehicle deaths associated with legalized weed. Similarly, I don't believe chronic narcotic use is down. Why would that be? Someone taking heroin is now satisfying his addiction by getting high?  I'd look into those stats.
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Reply #3 - 11/30/18 at 06:34:06
 

 I can probably get you some official statistics from the Dept of Health and Human Services, if you think those are not part of some cover up.

 I did not say there were zero crime or vehicle deaths associated with marijuana, I said there were zero overdoses.  Its very hard to overdose on.  Synthetics are different though.  Vehicle related deaths since the introduction of legalized, and then recreational marijuana have not increased, while the consumption rate has dramatically.  This means vehicle related deaths attributed to marijuana have not increased at the rate of consumption, or even remotely close to alcohol or meth etc.  Same goes for crime - there isn't an increase in overall crime that correlates significantly with the millions of marijuana users.

 To clarify "chronic narcotic use" is different than chronic narcotic abuse.  Drug abusers taking heroine are not reducing their heroine consumption by using marijuana.  People with chronic back pain, cancer patients, high anxiety dysfunction are examples of people who are having less prescribed narcotic medication due to marijuana consumption.

 "chronic pain relief seekers and cancer patients " as indicated in the previous post are not intended to include someone satisfying a drug addiction through heroine.

 There extensive documentation regarding the distribution of pain-treatment narcotic prescriptions in cancer patients.  This information may be made available, again if you don't consider the medical records part of a marijuana statistics cover up.
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Reply #4 - 12/02/18 at 05:54:47
 

China has agreed to label fentanyl a controlled substance after a meeting between President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping.
The deadly synthetic opioid is responsible for tens of thousands of US drug deaths every year.
The White House says Xi agreed to the move, long sought by the US, during a dinner on Saturday between the two leaders on the margins of the Group of 20 summit in Buenos Aires, Argentina.
US officials for years have been pressing the Chinese government to take a tougher stance against fentanyl, which is 50 times more powerful than heroin. Most US supply of the drug is manufactured in China.
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