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Reply #15 - 12/05/18 at 11:44:33
 
Page 2 of the same criminal information document holds additional exculpatory evidence for Trump, sources say. It quotes an August 2017 letter from Cohen to the Senate intelligence committee in which he states that Trump “was never in contact with anyone about this [Moscow Project] proposal other than me.” This section of Cohen’s written testimony, unlike other parts, is not disputed as false by Mueller, which sources say means prosecutors have tested its veracity through corroborating sources and found it to be accurate.

Also notable, Mueller did not challenge Cohen’s statement that he “ultimately determined that the proposal was not feasible and never agreed to make a trip to Russia.”

“Though Cohen may have lied to Congress about the dates,” one Hill investigator said, “it's clear from personal messages he sent in 2015 and 2016 that the Trump Organization did not have formal lines of communication set up with Putin’s office or the Kremlin during the campaign. There was no secret ‘back channel.’”



Tell the truth EVERYWHERE, and the truth of the EVENTS is Not Prosecutable.
Would there have been a prosecutable offense Created by giving accurate dates?
Did he LIE or was he simply human, and incorrect?

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Reply #16 - 12/05/18 at 11:59:51
 
it's going to show a massive income from russia.
There will be no debate when you see the numbers.


Not an opinion, but a fact huh?.....   Well I hope you told Mueller this. He's gonna want to hear from someone with all the inside info like you....
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Reply #17 - 12/05/18 at 12:12:20
 
Mueller is in too deep and looking for a lifeline.

lol.

What about Flynn's testimony? Ah 'tis but a scratch.

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Reply #18 - 12/05/18 at 12:33:51
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/05/18 at 11:59:51:
it's going to show a massive income from russia.
There will be no debate when you see the numbers.


Not an opinion, but a fact huh?.....   Well I hope you told Mueller this. He's gonna want to hear from someone with all the inside info like you....



Nope - that's only my opinion.
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Reply #19 - 12/05/18 at 12:45:36
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/05/18 at 11:44:33:
Page 2 of the same criminal information document holds additional exculpatory evidence for Trump, sources say. It quotes an August 2017 letter from Cohen to the Senate intelligence committee in which he states that Trump “was never in contact with anyone about this [Moscow Project] proposal other than me.” This section of Cohen’s written testimony, unlike other parts, is not disputed as false by Mueller, which sources say means prosecutors have tested its veracity through corroborating sources and found it to be accurate.

Also notable, Mueller did not challenge Cohen’s statement that he “ultimately determined that the proposal was not feasible and never agreed to make a trip to Russia.”

“Though Cohen may have lied to Congress about the dates,” one Hill investigator said, “it's clear from personal messages he sent in 2015 and 2016 that the Trump Organization did not have formal lines of communication set up with Putin’s office or the Kremlin during the campaign. There was no secret ‘back channel.’”



Tell the truth EVERYWHERE, and the truth of the EVENTS is Not Prosecutable.
Would there have been a prosecutable offense Created by giving accurate dates?
Did he LIE or was he simply human, and incorrect?


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Reply #20 - 12/05/18 at 12:50:13
 
eau de sauvage wrote on 12/05/18 at 12:12:20:
Mueller is in too deep and looking for a lifeline.
lol.   Ah 'tis but a scratch.


So tt when did you play the, 'Black Night" ?
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Reply #21 - 12/05/18 at 13:34:17
 
MnSpring wrote on 12/05/18 at 12:50:13:
So tt when did you play the, 'Black Night" ?



I didn't mn.  Once again you fail to get the joke.

Do you need it explained to you?
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Reply #22 - 12/05/18 at 17:24:33
 
[url][/url]justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/05/18 at 12:45:36:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/05/18 at 11:44:33:
Page 2 of the same criminal information document holds additional exculpatory evidence for Trump, sources say. It quotes an August 2017 letter from Cohen to the Senate intelligence committee in which he states that Trump “was never in contact with anyone about this [Moscow Project] proposal other than me.” This section of Cohen’s written testimony, unlike other parts, is not disputed as false by Mueller, which sources say means prosecutors have tested its veracity through corroborating sources and found it to be accurate.

Also notable, Mueller did not challenge Cohen’s statement that he “ultimately determined that the proposal was not feasible and never agreed to make a trip to Russia.”

“Though Cohen may have lied to Congress about the dates,” one Hill investigator said, “it's clear from personal messages he sent in 2015 and 2016 that the Trump Organization did not have formal lines of communication set up with Putin’s office or the Kremlin during the campaign. There was no secret ‘back channel.’”



Tell the truth EVERYWHERE, and the truth of the EVENTS is Not Prosecutable.
Would there have been a prosecutable offense Created by giving accurate dates?
Did he LIE or was he simply human, and incorrect?



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Reply #23 - 12/05/18 at 17:39:42
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/05/18 at 17:24:33:
Tell the truth EVERYWHERE, and the truth of the EVENTS is Not Prosecutable.
Would there have been a prosecutable offense Created by giving accurate dates?
Did he LIE or was he simply human, and incorrect?



GrinLove how you exonerate a bub because he's "human".

If this were a dem, you'd say he's lying - no question.

Are you completely blind to your own hypocrisy?
(rhetorical - yes, you are)
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Reply #24 - 12/05/18 at 21:56:12
 
Just answer the question.
You
Knew I was actually supporting CNN when I was demonstrating they were LYING to Jack ratings.

Answer the question.
If a correct answer regarding the dates
Would Not have created a prosecutable offense, no false exculpatory statements were made, then where is the
Lie?
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Reply #25 - 12/06/18 at 05:28:30
 
From Vanity Fair

For many Robert Mueller watchers, the air these days is electric. People sense the big shoes are about to drop. Donald Trump has submitted his written answers to Mueller’s questions. Paul Manafort has entered a plea agreement, but then continued to lie—at least according to Mueller. Jerome Corsi, fringe-right author and personality, is vowing to go to jail for life rather than sign on to Mueller’s version of events. Roger Stone is expecting to be indicted for something. So is Donald Trump Jr. And, most significant of all to those looking for a big payoff, Michael Cohen has pleaded guilty to lying to Congress about the timeline of a deal he was trying to make to construct a 100-story Trump-branded tower in Moscow. It turns out that the deal exploration continued past the time Trump had secured the Republican nomination, and Cohen and his associate Felix Sater, a real-estate promoter and one-time racketeer, had even discussed giving Vladimir Putin a $50 million penthouse in the building. “This is it,” people are saying. “This is the big one!”

But, with all due reverence to the deity Ganesha, why? We see the familiar cycle of hype, and there’s no use fighting it, but, once heart rates have slowed, the same old question remains: so what? Some of the news, such as a Guardian story that Manafort met three times with Julian Assange, seems to be based on nothing at all. But even the solid news turns out to be generally non-earth-shattering. As the journalist Aaron Maté has been pointing out, we already knew the timeline of Cohen’s Moscow efforts, because BuzzFeed had already detailed them in May, painting a picture of a bumbling duo getting high on their own supply. (As for the latest revelations, did Sater and Cohen really think a president of Russia would move into a free $50 million penthouse provided by a U.S. presidential candidate? You have to wonder if they were hitting each other on the head with bricks.) Those who hope that Mueller reveals a shambolic operation with a lot of rascals engaged in sleazy and embarrassing behavior will be happy with the fruits of his labors. But those who hope for an unveiling of indictments linking Putin and Trump in a grand conspiracy have no more reason to celebrate than they did a week or a month ago.

Certainly, Trump’s ethical standards are low, but if sleaziness were a crime then many more people from our ruling class would be in jail. It is sleazy, but not criminal, to try to find out in advance what WikiLeaks has on Hillary Clinton. It is sleazy, but not criminal, to take a meeting in Trump Tower with a Russian lawyer promising a dossier of dirt on Clinton. (Just as, it should be mentioned, it is sleazy, but not criminal, to pay a guy to go to Russia to put together a dossier of dirt on Trump. This is one reason why the Clinton campaign lied about its connection to the Steele dossier, albeit without the disadvantage of being under oath.) It is sleazy, but not criminal, to pursue a business deal while you’re running for president. Mueller has nailed people for trying to prevaricate about their sleaze, so we already have a couple of guilty pleas over perjury, with more believed to be on the way. But the purpose of the investigation was to address suspicions of underlying conspiracy—that is, a plan by Trump staffers to get Russian help on a criminal effort. Despite countless man-hours of digging, this conspiracy theory, the one that’s been paying the bills at Maddow for a couple of years now, has come no closer to being borne out. (Or, as the true believers would say, at least not yet.)
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Reply #26 - 12/06/18 at 05:35:56
 
Here's the last paragraph. Like some of you, I've read a million articles on Mueller's scavenger hunt, but the predictions in this one, articulate much better than I could have written the most likely outcome.

If it’s any consolation to Trump haters, we san say this much: the special counsel’s office is going to put together a hell of a report. It will have less sex than Starr’s did, but that’s for the best, and the testimony of Michael Cohen will still guarantee a lot of great scenes, many of them certain to become immortal and embarrassing. Trumpworld won’t fare well under a bright light. Like Starr, Mueller is also likely to include footnotes and selections that will hint at criminality, the things he suspects but couldn’t prove, and the most ardent believers in collusion will claim vindication. But the international conspiracies will be few, and the collateral damage of the Russia scare will be extensive, stretching far beyond Trump or his circle to the country as a whole. It might hurt a president who many Americans hate, but even the president’s most ardent foes should reflect on a question that will linger: Was it worth it?
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WebsterMark wrote on 12/06/18 at 05:35:56:
Here's the last paragraph. Like some of you, I've read a million articles on Mueller's scavenger hunt, but the predictions in this one, articulate much better than I could have written the most likely outcome.

If it’s any consolation to Trump haters, we san say this much: the special counsel’s office is going to put together a hell of a report. It will have less sex than Starr’s did, but that’s for the best, and the testimony of Michael Cohen will still guarantee a lot of great scenes, many of them certain to become immortal and embarrassing. Trumpworld won’t fare well under a bright light. Like Starr, Mueller is also likely to include footnotes and selections that will hint at criminality, the things he suspects but couldn’t prove, and the most ardent believers in collusion will claim vindication. But the international conspiracies will be few, and the collateral damage of the Russia scare will be extensive, stretching far beyond Trump or his circle to the country as a whole. It might hurt a president who many Americans hate, but even the president’s most ardent foes should reflect on a question that will linger: Was it worth it?



Yes, it will be worth it.

IMHO - once trump's taxes are exposed, we'll see exactly how indebted he is to the russians.

This idiot has done so much harm to the office of president, it's possible it may never recover.  Whatever is found out in Mueller's investigation, at the very least it will show what kind of maniac trump is and how unfit he is for the office of president.

And again, it's worth mentioning that if this had been hillary (or any other democrat) doing even a 10th of what trump has done - there would be impeachment hearings going on right now.  If you want to try and deny that, you're a liar.
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Reply #28 - 12/06/18 at 07:07:12
 
We don't even know the questions, yet we think we know the answers...

What we do know, is what is already out there.
Trump did craft a statement for Jr to read to Congress.  It was a lie and the purpose of that lie was to deceive.  That alone is impeachable and criminal.  
Then he lied about doing it.

We also know that he fired Comey over "that Russier thing"...  
That is obstruction, and is impeachable.  The fool admitted to it on national TV.
As he did with Sessions firing,... and McCabe.  
Also the numerous threats to Rosenstein.
All impeachable.

More to come... the bulk of which we don't know.
...but who needs more?,...
There's already more than Watergate.
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Reply #29 - 12/06/18 at 07:43:00
 
We also know as a factual matter, that Trump, whilst a Presidential candidate,  was publically advocating for no sanctions against Russia, at the same time he was privately negotiating with Russia for the building of a Russian Trump Tower.
Hello emoluments clause.
Impeachable.

I could go on.  And none of it is speculative.
We already know more articles of impeachment applying to Trump than Nixon and Clinton combined,... and the Mueller investigation is still a closed book.

We are live witness to perhaps the darkest days of American democracy.
38% of us are oblivious,... or just don't care.

It's the don't cares that scare me...  
They trade long held values and principals for instant gratification.
Political whoring.
 
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