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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10589 Minn Gender:	Re: Does it matter? Reply #60 - 12/16/18 at 10:16:12 Eegore wrote on 12/16/18 at 09:43:26: Why is it not ok for that strategy to be applied to gun owners, but is ok to be applied to the EPA? Perhaps you missed the part: "just as the UL’s continue to say: ‘ that person used a gun in …, so we need to ban all guns '
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Reply #61 - 12/16/18 at 15:40:53

"Perhaps you missed the part:
"just as the UL’s continue to say:
‘ that person used a gun in …, so we need to ban all guns '"

Why is it not ok, in your opinion, to hold all gun owners responsible for the actions of any and all criminal actions of other gun owners?

Why is it ok, in your opinion, to hold all staff working in the EPA responsible for any and all criminal actions of all other EPA staff?

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Does it matter? Reply #62 - 12/16/18 at 21:38:02 Okay, LEADERSHIP made a decision. The Decision created an ecological train wreck. Nobody paid. Nobody fired. Nobody in jail. Pardon me. I CONDEMN the epa.
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Reply #63 - 12/17/18 at 04:47:53

That's fine to condemn the entirety of the EPA.

Is it fine to condemn the entirety of Gun Owners?

Is it better to condemn "Criminal Gun Owners"?

Is it better to condemn "Criminal EPA Leadership"?

My question was why is the entirety of the EPA held accountable for the idiocy of the few, and how common is it for the EPA to press for prosecution of private citizens?

The private citizen question was answered, but the gun owner thing just doesn't make sense to me.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Does it matter? Reply #64 - 12/17/18 at 19:43:38 When the head of and board of directors of the N.R.A. go out and mow down a few people and the cops don't arrest them, we can talk.
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7280 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Does it matter? Reply #65 - 12/18/18 at 04:00:46 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/17/18 at 19:43:38: When the head of and board of directors of the N.R.A. go out and mow down a few people and the cops don't arrest them, we can talk. we wont talk about the right wing nut job convicted of murder for mowing down counter protesters?
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9914	Re: Does it matter? Reply #67 - 12/18/18 at 16:03:34 If an employee of the EPA has nothing to do with a crime committed why are they held responsible? Because somebody else tries to do that to gun owners. That's really the logic that's being accepted for this?
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 10589 Minn Gender:	Re: Does it matter? Reply #68 - 12/18/18 at 17:25:44 thumperclone wrote on 12/18/18 at 04:00:46: we wont talk about the right wing nut job convicted of murder for mowing down counter protesters? Who was responsible for that action/event ?
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7280 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Does it matter? Reply #69 - 12/19/18 at 04:02:40 MnSpring wrote on 12/18/18 at 17:25:44: thumperclone wrote on 12/18/18 at 04:00:46: we wont talk about the right wing nut job convicted of murder for mowing down counter protesters? Who was responsible for that action/event ? brainwashing
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Reply #70 - 12/19/18 at 10:18:37

thumperclone wrote on 12/19/18 at 04:02:40:

MnSpring wrote on 12/18/18 at 17:25:44:

thumperclone wrote on 12/18/18 at 04:00:46:

we wont talk about the right wing nut job convicted of murder for mowing down counter protesters?

Who was responsible for that action/event ?

brainwashing

Who was responsible for that, 'Brainwashing' ?

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Reply #71 - 12/19/18 at 10:37:38

Eegore wrote on 12/18/18 at 16:03:34:

If an employee of the EPA has nothing to do with a crime committed why are they held responsible?

Nice try.

"... an employee of the EPA has nothing to do with a crime committed why are they held responsible?..."
If that employee's crime is speeding in Sells AZ.
No, the rest of the EPA's employees are not responsible.

If it is Killing a River, it is.
As in accordance to Warren:
"...Elesibath Warren speech all employees of the government are responsible..."

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Reply #72 - 12/19/18 at 16:12:50

"As in accordance to Warren:
"...Elesibath Warren speech all employees of the government are responsible..."

That's ridiculous. That means people who have nothing to do with it are held responsible. In her statement that spreads even further, so if some leadership of the EPA commits a crime a social worker in Honolulu helping veterans overcome PTSD is responsible because she is a government employee.

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Reply #73 - 12/21/18 at 21:08:57

Eegore wrote on 12/18/18 at 16:03:34:

If an employee of the EPA has nothing to do with a crime committed why are they held responsible?

Because somebody else tries to do that to gun owners.

That's really the logic that's being accepted for this?

employee of the EPA
employee of the EPA
employee of the EPA

WTF is WRONG with you?
The head of the epa either made the decision or is protecting who did.
You go create such an ecological disaster and see what happens to you.

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Reply #74 - 12/21/18 at 22:20:08

"all employees of the government are responsible"

all employees
all employees
all employees

So since its the EPA, a government agency, every single government employee worldwide is responsible? The guy in California who purchases prosthetic limbs for disabled veterans is responsible for the EPA's criminal activity because he is a government employee.

But if its a gun owner, that's not ok right?

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