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Reply #30 - 12/19/18 at 06:29:38
 
[quote author=56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 link=1545150522/15#29 date=1545193658]GuyT And T Garage wrote on 12/18/18 at 08:59:30:
Yeah, instead of trying to weed out those who shouldn't have guns, let's just have more guns in the schools.

It's not the GUNS.
It's WHO HAS THEM.

According to your logic, more guns equals
Less safe.
But what do you do when a crazed gunman appears?
You call the cops.
What do THEY do?
They
Bring
More Guns.
But That's okay
Because they are cops.

Teachers are too stupid to learn to shoot.


Dammit, why don't you accept that you're WRONG?
It's obvious enough.


Because jog, I'm not wrong.  You are.
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Reply #31 - 12/19/18 at 16:06:45
 
"instead of trying to weed out those who shouldn't have guns, let's just have more guns in the schools"

 As usual I think the problem is that we are not willing to reach a compromising viewpoint that allows for a comprehensive solution.

 The issue with active shooters in schools is not a bad guy with a gun.

 It's how he got it, and why he uses it to murder children.

 That in itself is a huge discussion that won't be solved by any one answer, or 20.

 In this discussion the problem is that the solutions are being interpreted as Only more guns, or Only less guns.  The fundamental issue is that one "solution" does a better job resolving today's problem of a bad guy with a gun, but does little for future mitigation.  The other "solution" provides long-term resolutions but does very little to help someone in need today.

 I prefer to take a chronological approach to a problem, since if I fail today and die, I can't solve anything in the future.  Today the problem is a guy murdering children, and short of not sending children to public school the next most readily available form of protection is the closest adult.  

 Who is the closest adult to children in school?  

 What is the most efficient way for the closest adult to stop a gunman actively murdering children today?

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Reply #32 - 12/20/18 at 01:53:30
 
Answer the questions TT
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Reply #33 - 12/20/18 at 04:36:41
 
Who is the closest adult to children in school?  

What is the most efficient way for the closest adult to stop a gunman actively murdering children today?

That answer is obvious. I stand by my plan that the most logical way to address this is to slowly arm appropriate staff members. The next obvious but perhaps requires construction, is to limit entry to schools. Do those two things the potential is reduced.

The other thing to keep in mind why these simple changes could yield great results is school shootings are still rare events.

Also, before we go off the rails and use this as an excuse for widespread change, remember that 9/11 gave us a entire new government agency, Homeland Security, which in retrospect, we could do without.

There's no need to further restrict people from living their life as they see fit because the tragic actions of a few mentally disturbed give a foothold to a group of people whose life is built around telling others how to live.
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Reply #34 - 12/20/18 at 05:03:25
 
By chance, read the comment below this morning.

Since 1950, 98 percent of America’s public mass shootings have occurred in areas where guns are prohibited to the general public. In Europe, every mass shooting has happened in a gun-free zone.
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Reply #35 - 12/20/18 at 06:25:04
 
This country has well over 300 million guns within the general population.

Yeah, even more saturation would do the trick!  Lets not restrict guns to anyone at the federal level.  Let's not change any of the laws governing ownership!  <<<<Sarcasm
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Reply #36 - 12/20/18 at 08:17:53
 
T And T Garage wrote on 12/20/18 at 06:25:04:
Yeah, even more saturation would do the trick!  Lets not restrict guns to anyone at the federal level.  Let's not change any of the laws governing ownership!  <<<<Sarcasm

Is that part of your, ‘Common Sense”  proposal?
Uygur does not tell you, because he/she does not KNOW.
So you say, nothing more than a meaningless, ’sound bite’.

You said: not restrict guns to anyone at the federal level
They do, in fact the 4473 form, started in 1968 as one page, one side.
It is now 4 pages, BOTH sides.
Have you ever read one ?
(Or did you get the gun you say you have, out of a trunk in a back alley in downtown Chicago)

Now States, have the ability to make gun laws, that go above and beyond the Federal laws.
Many States have far more draconian gun laws, your state some of the most restrictive, gun ownership laws, in the nation.
Yes dear, I know you posted, ’sarcasm’, yet can you not understand, the very basic idea, that the Increase in Laws to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands. Only affect the Honest Citizen.
They, Do Not Work, to stop crime.
And the makers/supporters, of the laws that,
'Do Not Work', to stop crime.
All stand in the street, and cry: It's someone else's fault.
(As you have done numerous times)

Next you said: change any of the laws governing ownership.
Which ones ? What changes ? What do you propose ?
That’s right, you don’t know, because, Cenk Uygur,
has not, TOLD you WHAT to say.
So you can only say your, ’sound bite’, rants & raves.

So, here is my take.
Enforce the myriad of laws ALREADY on the books.
To get a finite list and recommendations
as to what they are
you can go back in my posts to find out.
(Or are you to Lazy to look)

Oh Yea, and do NOT, let a former A.G. and POTUS, circumvent the laws, to PURPOSELY, get Citizens killed, to garner support for ‘gun-banning’.  (Which totally backfired on them)

And yea, for now, until something better comes along.
ARM the Teachers, who are Skilled and Able, and Willing.


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Re: Watching common sense sprrad
Reply #37 - 12/20/18 at 10:23:38
 
Instead of calling and waiting for a good guy with a gun, teachers are already there.

The
Saturation of guns isn't IN our schools.
That's where the saturation of floors with innocent blood is.
Allow teachers to get qualified and carry.
They should be provided with vests, too.
Like when the Louisiana governor told the people to arm themselves against car jackers in the seventies, after a few thugs bled out screaming and thrashing around gutshot, that little game stopped.

I'm betting a few dead shooters and that would stop being so fun.

Watch where they WON'T happen.
The places where teachers are armed won't be where they happen.

About ten miles away, in Union Grove, the school has a four by four sign between the parking lot and doors stating staff is armed.
Not a place for starting trouble.
T T can sneer at the people who want to increase security the same way we keep important people and things secure, by having good guys with guns around, but he's wrong.
Still.
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Reply #38 - 12/20/18 at 11:24:30
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/20/18 at 10:23:38:
Instead of calling and waiting for a good guy with a gun, teachers are already there.

The
Saturation of guns isn't IN our schools.
That's where the saturation of floors with innocent blood is.
Allow teachers to get qualified and carry.
They should be provided with vests, too.
Like when the Louisiana governor told the people to arm themselves against car jackers in the seventies, after a few thugs bled out screaming and thrashing around gutshot, that little game stopped.

I'm betting a few dead shooters and that would stop being so fun.

Watch where they WON'T happen.
The places where teachers are armed won't be where they happen.

About ten miles away, in Union Grove, the school has a four by four sign between the parking lot and doors stating staff is armed.
Not a place for starting trouble.
T T can sneer at the people who want to increase security the same way we keep important people and things secure, by having good guys with guns around, but he's wrong.
Still.



Funny - if I'm so wrong, why haven't all these guns helped in any of these situations thus far?

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens


More guns are the problem, not the solution.
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Reply #39 - 12/20/18 at 11:25:12
 
MnSpring wrote on 12/20/18 at 08:17:53:
T And T Garage wrote on 12/20/18 at 06:25:04:
Yeah, even more saturation would do the trick!  Lets not restrict guns to anyone at the federal level.  Let's not change any of the laws governing ownership!  <<<<Sarcasm

Is that part of your, ‘Common Sense”  proposal?
Uygur does not tell you, because he/she does not KNOW.
So you say, nothing more than a meaningless, ’sound bite’.

You said: not restrict guns to anyone at the federal level
They do, in fact the 4473 form, started in 1968 as one page, one side.
It is now 4 pages, BOTH sides.
Have you ever read one ?
(Or did you get the gun you say you have, out of a trunk in a back alley in downtown Chicago)

Now States, have the ability to make gun laws, that go above and beyond the Federal laws.
Many States have far more draconian gun laws, your state some of the most restrictive, gun ownership laws, in the nation.
Yes dear, I know you posted, ’sarcasm’, yet can you not understand, the very basic idea, that the Increase in Laws to prevent guns from falling into the wrong hands. Only affect the Honest Citizen.
They, Do Not Work, to stop crime.
And the makers/supporters, of the laws that,
'Do Not Work', to stop crime.
All stand in the street, and cry: It's someone else's fault.
(As you have done numerous times)

Next you said: change any of the laws governing ownership.
Which ones ? What changes ? What do you propose ?
That’s right, you don’t know, because, Cenk Uygur,
has not, TOLD you WHAT to say.
So you can only say your, ’sound bite’, rants & raves.

So, here is my take.
Enforce the myriad of laws ALREADY on the books.
To get a finite list and recommendations
as to what they are
you can go back in my posts to find out.
(Or are you to Lazy to look)

Oh Yea, and do NOT, let a former A.G. and POTUS, circumvent the laws, to PURPOSELY, get Citizens killed, to garner support for ‘gun-banning’.  (Which totally backfired on them)

And yea, for now, until something better comes along.
ARM the Teachers, who are Skilled and Able, and Willing.





What's really scary is that you, mn, are heavily involved in the gun trade.
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Reply #40 - 12/20/18 at 12:05:25
 
T And T Garage wrote on 12/20/18 at 11:24:30:
‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

Right out of the, 'Onion'.

Even Cenk Uygur is not Stupid enough to post something from the Onion.
And expect people to believe it is true.


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Reply #41 - 12/20/18 at 12:36:49
 
T And T Garage wrote on 12/20/18 at 11:25:12:
What's really scary is that you, mn, are heavily involved in the gun trade.

"What is really Scary is”
The, ‘Anti-gun’, Banners, agenda.
Everything they say,  and do,
is to make More rules, take away More guns, make More restrictions.
So Nobody has guns.
Except a very, very, very few, who are extremely trained and vetted.
(Like, ‘officer’, Noor).

‘What is really Scary is”
The ultimate goal is NOT crime control,
it’s to remove the right to keep and bear arms,
so NOBODY has any Guns.
So the gun has effectively been removed from the, ‘bad’ guy.

‘What is really Scary is”
Their are people that actually believe that,
Cenk Uygur is a intelligent person.
And that their are people that hang on his/her every word.
And that people Parrot,
the exact spew he/she says.



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Reply #42 - 12/20/18 at 16:13:02
 

"More guns are the problem, not the solution."

 What is the solution now?

 If a person was firing a gun at children in a classroom today, what is the most efficient way to stop him?

 Until people stop with the absolutes of, no guns vs. more guns, we won't get anywhere.

 Start with an immediate solution and work towards a long-term, or start with a long-term solution and let people die today.
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Reply #43 - 12/20/18 at 21:15:11
 
http://memepoliceman.com/list-of-mass-shootings-stopped-by-armed-civilians/

Add to your ridiculous claim

KINDA HARD TO STOP A KILLER IN A NO GUN ZONE..
and here's a list.
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Reply #44 - 12/21/18 at 04:55:10
 
arm teachers like the one that lost his temper and slapped a student

there needs to be a way to weed out the unstable from having weapons

adding more guns to the mix increases the odds they end up in the wrong hands

TEACHER SHOOTS STUDENT FOR REFUSING TO GO TO THE OFFICE
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