IF
it's immoral to use a wall
Isn't it just as immoral to stop them from entering using other methods?


It CAN'T be more succinctly asked.

"Now, can you answer the question?"
 
 I did:

 Maybe.

 To clarify I feel that there is a possibility that a physical wall, if it is established that it will be considered immoral, that all other means and methods could be immoral.  In my answer I stated varying degrees of immoral action as an example of what would cause me to say maybe.  Maybe meaning the possibility exists, but in different degrees, and in general I do not feel that by not liking one method that means one can no longer like any method.

"Isn't it just as immoral to stop them from entering using other methods?"

 I mentioned "other methods", are you indicating "specific methods" and if so what are they?

Eegore wrote on 12/26/18 at 02:18:44:

"Now, can you answer the question?" 
 I did:

No, you did not.
You, ’spun, changed, deflected’, the question.
Was it because you believe their should be not wall ?
Was it just because you think you can F with JOG ?
Don’t know.

The question was:
“…Is it immoral, To force people to utilize our immigration system in order to get in, isn’t it just as immoral to utilize men and technology to achieve the same thing?…”

The Wall =  Concrete, Cement, Iron, Steel, Wire, Posts, Wood, twine string on rusty ’T’ posts, and even be a dusty trail, following a border, which is patrolled, by people/electronic means. A Wall, can be a structure, or a electronic metering system. Whichever is less expensive to maintain, and or up grade.
To which the second part comes in:
“…isn’t it just as immoral to utilize men and technology to achieve the same thing?…”

So, the very basic question, If you call a, ‘wall, Immoral’
then as stated, is sure does look:
“…Looks like a demand for open borders to me …”

It is real simple, the TDS people, are TDS'ing at all costs.
Because when their, 'loved' one/s, were for, a wall, see description above, (forcing people to utilize our immigration system), the same people, were all for it.

Yet when Trump, whether it is on foot crossing legally, or by Rail/Plane, or by forging passports, then just disappearing, or having a legal passport, then gain entry, then NO  CHECKING, after they have overstayed their Visa. It is all wrong.
That is PURE, TDS.

might be.  The problem is that the question is assuming that all forms of border control are the exact same level of morality.

No.
Stop.
I'm not saying anything about the METHOD.
It's a given that nobody be intentionally harmed.
If you can stop over intellectualizing and stick with the actual words, it's a very simple question.
Sadly, it's gonna force the honest truth to demonstrate that
A wall is no more immoral than effective border control using the very methods you say can be implemented and not build a wall.
What you won't address is the politicization of the actual enforcement of the laws.
I'm tired of the cycle these topics take.
It's all good until a lefty answers.
Then it's on
Spin cycle.
Quit torturing the words.
It's not complicated.
Maybe you get scared when I throw out a point that requires you to answer based on principle.
Especially when I demonstrate what a load of absolute schitt the left are pushing.

If you can stop over intellectualizing and stick with the actual words, it's a very simple question.

Correct. Build a wall. Secure the border. It's the simplest of all issues. We all lock our doors at night or if we're in certain crime free areas, its a certainty that if we weren't in such an area, everyone would lock their doors. We don't let people just decided to pitch a tent in our yard and live there.

It's a given that ALL of us grant permission to anyone before they enter our house. And that permission is based upon criteria that may differ a little between each of us, but universally, we don't let people into our house without some level of comfort they are safe, their length of stay is agreed upon before hand, we understand our financial obligation etc....

Politicians (and let's face it, Republicans turned a blind eye to illegal immigration because of cheap labor and Democrats because of cheap votes) don't have to deal with those ramifications. You think you can just walk up to Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi's house? Go ahead, try to set up a tent on Nancy's lawn or decide you want to climb the fence and walk around her winery.

WebsterMark wrote on 12/26/18 at 10:22:36:

"... Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi's house? Go ahead, try to set up a tent on Nancy's lawn or decide you want to climb the fence and walk around her winery.

Aw-sum.  A fence around her winery.

Let’s get some people together, to cut through/break down the fence, Then walk to the center of the winery, erect tents. Then when someone comes to chase them off. Demand to be fed. Demand to have health care. Demand to have some spending money. Demand to have a free ride back to the fence.

Then stand out side the fence, and when the, ‘officials' leave, do the same thing over and over and over.
Until, that, winery grounds, are declared a, “Sanctuary Wine”, grounds.

 None of that made sense to me.

 Again you refuse to acknowledge I agreed with you, but since I don't blindly agree you get offended and complain instead of having an adult conversations.

 Again.....  Again:

 YES.  YES.  To clarify: Yes means I agree with JoG.  I agree with JoG that IF, IF, IF we take the physical wall and say implementation of a physical wall is immoral, AND say that any inclusion of border security is equivocal to a physical wall then YES, YES , YES all other forms of border security is immoral.

 IF, IF, IF we say a physical wall is immoral and thus all border security is immoral then YES, YES, YES, all forms of border security is immoral.

 But I don't think all forms of border security are equal in regards to morality.

 You refuse to acknowledge when I agree with you.  Don't pretend I wasn't copying your method of communication with the repetitive capital words.

 Just as in this topic I have said that yes, if we say all forms of border control are equal in morality then yes, they are all immoral.

 I mean really if a proposed question states the answer then how hard can it be to state what the answer is?

 I don't think all forms of border control are equal in morality, but that gets you upset, so instead of having a conversation you complain.  At least this time you refrained from the insults.