The man suspected of fatally shooting a police officer in Stanislaus County was in the country illegally, officials said Thursday.

Why are we even having this discussion about a wall?

Its about the cost of a complete physical wall when it is well known that there are more efficient methods in areas where a physical wall will be less effective.

That's Bull$hit. It is not well known. It is stated as an unchallengeable fact so never challenged. Secondly, as I've said repeatedly, anything less than a physical barrier requires people to maintain security. Any future administration could (and will) limit the security thus rendering it useless.

Do both. Build a wall and upgrade security. It is a simple solution. There is no legitimate reason not to.  (other than the need for votes, cheap labor and the opportunity to oppose Trump)

Eegore wrote on 12/28/18 at 07:05:54:

 Its about the cost of a complete physical wall when it is well known that there are more efficient methods in areas where a physical wall will be less effective.

Do not believe so.
First, to counter the ‘spin’. One does not need to be a Engineer, to know that water flows downhill.

A physical structure, can be breached. Do not reinvent the wheel, take a lesson. The Berlin Wall, The, ‘wall’ slowed down crossing.  Did not stop, but greatly slowed down. Greatly.

So a Wall, as Bot is so fond of saying, ‘Ladders’. Yep. But what is on the other side ?  Or is their razor wire at the top?
If a ladder is brought to a remote area, and a wire cutter, and heavy gloves. The wire on top can be cut. A rope or ladder can be lowered to the other side. And the wall can be breached.

As the Ultra Lefties are fond of pointing out, the solution is just no wall, because their are ladders and wire cutters, so why bother, just let them come in when/how ever they want.  (After all the LEFT, Needs those Illegal Votes)

Wait !  A section, no wall, that has ‘sensors’, (ground vibration sensors are in play at the North Boarder), so a ground sensor is in play, remember no wall, so BP is notified of the crossing,  they rush to the place. And no one is their. They have all crossed, so now the BP, has to expend all sorts of manpower to, ‘try’ to find them as they are all scattered about and hiding.

Now their is a wall. The sensors go off, BP goes their, and guess what. A bunch of people with ladders, and wire cutters are found.
(Same with tunneling)

Just as the Mental Giants decided to put $310,000.00 of Solar Panels on a roof, that needed to be re-roofed in 5 years.
The same, Mental Giants, are saying no wall, no security.

Tell everyone to go to Nancy’s vineyard, and set up camp.

Nobody has been willing to address the politicization of the ENFORCEMENT of border control Laws. It varies, depending on who is in office. THAT'S WHY right Now we're getting all these great potential solutions that would be used so we don't NEED a wall. BULLSHIT.

here's the deal, the wall is a first grade solution to an advanced economic 400 level globalization problem.  

is it a real solution.... maybe part of one...  maybe...  but when most of the illegals here came in LEGALLY...   it's fixing a crack in the dam on one side while the dam is overflowing.  

but it's simple for people to understand, so they love it...  cause THEY ARE STUPID.

LostArtist wrote on 12/28/18 at 12:36:22:

here's the deal, the wall is a first grade solution to an advanced economic 400 level globalization problem. is it a real solution.... maybe part of one...  maybe...  but when most of the illegals here came in LEGALLY...   it's fixing a crack in the dam on one side while the dam is overflowing.  but it's simple for people to understand, so they love it...  cause THEY ARE STUPID.

but when most of the illegals here came in LEGALLY...

Please explain how that works.

Then when you are done, perhaps you can explain how one can,
Legally, rob a bank ?

When are we going to build a wall to keep the Canadians out? They cross our borders everyday ,and their stealing high paying jobs! It's funny that no one has ever been concerned about them.