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Re: If it's immoral to use a wall
Reply #75 - 12/30/18 at 16:12:28

Talking to lefties IS
Talking to a wall.
Policies?
Really?
POLICIES?
You don't read, do you?
Pay attention.
The border patrol agents were told to FAIL.
We NEED a wall.
And SCREW YOU CLOWNS who talk about
No WALL
But
TECHNOLOGY.

FFS, the wall doesn't HAVE to be end to end. I've BEEN on the border.
I've entered Mexico in four places.
Waded in once.
But there are MILES of border that is rugged terrain once in America. No place to get food. A wall where they are crossing will force them elsewhere.
And you people who insist
TECHNOLOGY and manpower CAN control the border, I
Fully AGREE,
But it will not be done
For political reasons.

So
Use technology to protect the wall.
It's worth building.

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7280 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #76 - 12/30/18 at 16:51:02 policies change some more barriers, more manpower, and technology the wall isn't going to happen
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Re: If it's immoral to use a wall
Reply #77 - 12/30/18 at 17:47:20

If someone says:
‘We don’t need a wall’
“A wall can be just electronics’
“A wall won’t stop anyone’

Is that just like:

“You can keep your Doctor’ ?
“Insurance Premiums will go down’. ?

Or could it be like:
"Look how caring we are, we help the poor Illegal's that sneak in'

While.

Not caring that a, Illegal KILLED a Police officer.
Or, 'Fast-Tracked', a Police officer, who KILLED in cold blood.
Not caring that several hundred Citizens, have lost everything, that is EVERYTHING, and have to fight tooth and nail to get a glass of water.

I guess people that come from another place,
and shoot/kill/sell drugs/rape/steel/etc/etc/etc.
Have the, PRIORITY !!!!!!

Where the Citizens, who have PAID, all their life,
are to be shunned.
People like Vets, Unemployed, homeless, (especially recent fires), etc.etc,etc, etc.

Guess have to look to Jerry Brown, how to be a good person ?

NAAAAAA. The J.B.'s, B.O.'s, B.S.'s, and like.
Are NOT good role models.
(Well unless all you want to do,
is STUFF your pockets,
and to HELL with everyone else)

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #78 - 12/30/18 at 18:04:47 These geniuses know what won't work. Continue to pretend what has never worked suddenly will. When POLICIES are to choose to not enforce the law, gee, what do you call that if Trump did it?
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Re: If it's immoral to use a wall
Reply #79 - 12/30/18 at 18:20:45

"You don't read, do you?
Pay attention.
The border patrol agents were told to FAIL."

Not only did I read, I also looked through the event records for some of them. Also one article is completely opinion and had several discrepancies, but that's not the issue.

Border Agents being told to FAIL were not told "go fail" by just random people, they were instructed by associates who by policy... again: by policy, have authority to present those orders to the appropriate staff.

"We NEED a wall.
And SCREW YOU CLOWNS who talk about
No WALL
But
TECHNOLOGY"

I never said NO WALL. Zero part of my discussion with you has presented in a way that has suggested that there should be NO WALL. I have not said NO WALL, or recommended it, or have I indicated that anyone in CBP thinks NO WALL is a workable solution.

"FFS, the wall doesn't HAVE to be end to end."

Why didn't you state this the first seven times that the subject of "Complete" wall, "entire border" etc. were brought up? The very article you referenced in the original post is about an end to end physical wall.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #80 - 12/30/18 at 19:31:44 Which is apparently something you people oppose. So,in an effort to offer an idea, which, BTW, none of you did, I offered a Thought.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #81 - 12/30/18 at 19:33:29 So, considering walls and fences don't work, lefties can start removing theirs. Fighting with people over what is obvious, it's not worth it. I'm done with this one.
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Re: If it's immoral to use a wall
Reply #82 - 12/30/18 at 19:51:42

"So,in an effort to offer an idea, which, BTW, none of you did, I offered a Thought."

My idea is to let CBP, AZ National Guard, US Navy and Marines, DHS, ICE have input on the budget they are forced to use. I have stated that repeatedly.

I am not presenting ideas on what tech needs to be used where, or where physical walls belong - because I don't do their job, and I don't have the audacity to think I can provide an educated opinion on how somebody else should do their job.

"So, considering walls and fences don't work, lefties can start removing theirs."

One long concrete wall along the entire border is not cost-effective. Cost-effective doesn't mean "doesn't work" it means not as efficient as an alternative, or complementary system for the cost. Many people choose monitored home-alarm systems, video doorbells connected to their phones, and surveillance cameras instead of paying for additional fencing around their yards. Cattle ranches where I live use drones to move cattle and AI agriculture modeling to accurately predict where the cattle go to graze instead of fencing them into zones. I wonder why that is.

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batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #83 - 12/30/18 at 22:30:25 I'm still waiting for Frump to get Mexico to pay for the wall!
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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 7280 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #84 - 12/31/18 at 06:33:23 a wall will not stop those who over stay their visa's
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Re: If it's immoral to use a wall
Reply #85 - 12/31/18 at 06:59:25

A lock on your door will not stop someone you invite inside from stealing from your house when you're not looking so take the lock off your door?!.....

You guys are working so hard finding excuse after excuse why not to build a wall when the obvious answer is staring you in the face.

Build a Wall. Implement additional electronic surveillance at the same time. Enforce (strongly!) violations of illegal hiring practices. Withhold federal funds from Sanctuary Cities. Assist Mexico in gaining controof their crime problem. That's a good start.

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Re: If it's immoral to use a wall
Reply #86 - 12/31/18 at 08:12:50

thumperclone wrote on 12/31/18 at 06:33:23:

a wall will not stop those who over stay their visa's

Totally agree.
What is your solution to do that ?

I clearly remember when I went to free Europe in the early 70’s and late 80’s.
Their were many times I was asked for my passport.
The length of the, automatic Visa was well known, and when I did not have it upon me, (several times), I was asked, ‘When did you get here’, ‘how long are you staying’, ‘where are you staying’, ‘where are you going from here’.

(Perhaps you remember at that time, their was this little thing going on with the IRA)

Yet, YET, Here in the USA, one can NOT, ask those questions of someone.

So, someone has a Visa, Procured in Country before travel, or procured at the boarder.
When they come accost, does not that Visa contain a Number, can it not be scanned, can it not be entered into a data base?
Thinking it is. Here is the problem, if their is no corresponding scan, showing that person leaving, and it is past the, ‘due’ date. How do you find them? (JUST last Year, 600,000 (+/-) of them, JUST LAST YEAR !!!)
Again, it is forbidden to ask someone. (Because of course, that is Racist)

So what to do? Plant a removable GPS chip ? Have scanners to pick up a Passport, and compare that number with a list.
Or, be able to ask people?
Or be able to coordinate/communicate with agencies, oh like, local police and ICE.

What would be your Idea?
Or would that, be like the response you have to:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1546040686 #3

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batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #87 - 01/01/19 at 17:40:58 Well maybe it's time to quit crying in our beer,the wall is not going to get built.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #88 - 01/01/19 at 20:18:15 You might be right, but I remember when a certain bipedal Pustule was gonna defeated Trump in an embarrassing fashion.
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batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: If it's immoral to use a wall Reply #89 - 01/01/19 at 22:30:01 Instead we got a potus that trumps embarrassing fashion.
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