MShipley wrote on 01/25/19 at 12:57:33:


Well m, that's your prerogative.  However, if you look at the history of this forum, you'd see that the likes of jog, pg, webstermark (and even yourself to some degree) have been doing the same thing on this forum.  When Obama was in office, there was a non-stop beration of that man.  In my opinion, it was unjustified.  

But you'd be lying to yourself if you say that Obama had more scandal in his administration than trump.  It's simply a fact that trump is lousy with scandal - both in his campaign and administration.

You cannot tell me that the blatant hypocrisy of the right doesn't exist.  How many vacations to mar a lago has trump had?  How many games of golf?

So you want to talk about something else than our president being corrupt?  Be my guest.

But the truth is, there's pretty much nothing going on with the democrats that's not outshined by the right in terms of negativity.  The GOP is in dire straits - which is why I think the majority of the conservatives have posted so much less lately.  There isn't anything they can point to on the left that isn't far worse on the right.

If you dislike my posts - good for you - that's your right.

But in the future, maybe try to address me directly - talking about me in the third person is as rude as it is childish.

MShipley wrote on 01/25/19 at 14:02:51:



You're welcome.  Thank you for not disagreeing that you and the other conservatives are just as guilty.

If you want to see something other than the atrocities of trump - then post it.

T And T Garage wrote on 01/25/19 at 13:39:21:

You cannot tell me that the blatant hypocrisy of the right doesn't exist.
If you want to see something other than the atrocities of trump - then post it. 

(This is NOT about Trump)
So what do ‘you’ think about Pelosi’s Wall ?

If some people, breached her wall,
set up tents and sleeping bags in the middle of her vineyard.
And when her security came to kick them out,
they all demanded, food, housing, healthcare, and asylum.

What do you think, She, would do ?

(Remember now, this is not about Trump)

The funny thing is that we fought the good fight to stop the forum abuse, in the end Trump's supporters got their way and we just accept that personal abuse is all they got to offer. Then after winning this great forum victory they all fcuk off.  

 I don't think it was exclusively Trump supporters that used personal abuse as a communication method here.

 I for one don't know why it's so heated here.  It's just a motorcycle forum.

Eegore wrote on 01/25/19 at 19:42:30:


My experience here which is relatively recently was that I dropped in without any preconceptions or previous form at all. I was surprised at the consistent personal abuse and rather puerile posts from what turned out to be die hard trump supporters, or trolls, it's not really possible to tell. It's not unlikely that any or all of Mn, JoG, WM, and any I've missed, may just be having a larf.

Nevertheless if I take it seriously then it appears to me that like Trump himself, his avid supporters (and seriously why would anyone support a moron like that even if they agreed with his policies generally) do not have any rational arguments because even if Trump is right then he'll make it wrong. For example border security is perfectly legitimate but turning the entire complex issue into a frickin wall or no wall is idiotic.

What I meant was not to point a finger even though I've just done that but rather to say that in spite of all the above I made an attempt to drop the past and lets just cut the personal abuse. Oh how naive I was back in those days I chuckle to myself. Anyhoo I also noticed that others tried to cut the abuse unilaterally.

It mattered not. Because the bottom frickin line is that it's up to a moderator at some level to moderate. I proposed everyone agreeing to some mutually acceptable set of agreed behaviour code or whatever. Again looking back and what I now know it was a ridiculous notion.

But it appears to have evolved by itself because as the GOP have lost control as Trump has has his ability to bully, removed, so they have become less inclined to repeat Trump's bellicose, monotonous, twitter rantings. Which is I guess what this thread is about.

Trump allowed the worst aspects, the darker side of society the chance to be seen in public. It was not pretty. Can't wait to see how this lunacy ends.

Back to the abuse, it has just come to the point where no one really cares about JoG's MnSpring's WM etc, childish taunts because they're well they're just boring and childish and we've been there and done it to death.

The migration of people fleeing civil wars, climate "change" etc is a difficult  issue.  We are not the only nation facing this with the depopulation of Syria, the decades old Palestinian camps, the Burma destruction of a minority.  Brazil is getting hammered.  The globe is full of pain and suffering.  

What should we do.  It may be time to shift our military adventurism from supporting global drug and oil monies and perhaps focus on establishing governments in central and south America that support their people.  (sort of a more benign United Fruit from the 50's foreign policy).  But through the OAS so all the lands including usa are following the same script.

T And T Garage wrote on 01/25/19 at 14:10:41:

If you want to see something other than the atrocities of trump - then post it.

Rather apparent, YOU, actually don’t, “… want to see something other than the atrocities of trump…”

Because a post was made about a person that has totally reversed her opinion on a subject.
And YOU, made it about Trump.

Oh well, if tt says something is not correct,
no way can it be Right.