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01/31/19 at 23:05:21
 
I've never experienced colder than minus 5C, so to see temps like minus 20 in the US while in Australia we are experiencing the hottest spell since records began is more than a coincidence. 120F in parts of Australia, my backyard is a dustbowl the grass is nearly all dead, and a few hundred miles north it's floods.

The chart below shows the folly of thinking that this happens on human lifetime scales. It doesn't. Even though you can see the occasional blip, over the past 110 years the real trend is undeniable.

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Reply #1 - 02/01/19 at 06:22:02
 
Yeah, but Eau - it's been cold in the US these last two days....... smh

trump said we can use some global warming here. (because, you know, he and the likes of him can only see out their own front door..)
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Reply #2 - 02/01/19 at 06:36:19
 
 Looks like fake news to me.

 Don't you remember those couple of inaccurate readings from the thousands upon thousands of global temperature readings over years?  

 I mean the margin of error literally matched those percentages of inaccurate and honestly documented readings, but that isn't important.  My observed reality where I am has record high temperatures, so global warming, but also my observed reality is that's cold in Chicago so global warming also isn't happening.

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Reply #3 - 02/01/19 at 10:11:14
 
Eegore wrote on 02/01/19 at 06:36:19:

 Don't you remember those couple of inaccurate readings from the thousands upon thousands of global temperature readings over years?  

Would that be like the ‘Weather Station’, that has been in the same spot since I was a kid.
Which then, (was near a major tar toad for ease of access), was basically surrounded but nothing but farm fields.
And today, it is surrounded by, houses, tarred roads, office buildings.
(And of Course, that is the ONLY ONE, in the world, that is like that)
Would that be, one, of the places where readings are gathered, to form the theory that the, ’sky is falling’ ?
Would that be so the self proclaimed inventor of the WWW, can sell TOXIC, CFL light bulbs ?
Would that be so some, ‘scientists’ can get huge Grants, to study GW, because they, ’say’, they believe ?

But hey, perfectly OK, for someone to sell more garden hose,
because eds’s back yard grass is dried up.
But wait !  
Is that socialistic, or capitalistic ?

Or is it just like, one can not, ‘Discipline’, spank their kid after they are born.
Yet  KILL  them, before they are born.


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Reply #4 - 02/01/19 at 10:12:58
 
MnSpring wrote on 02/01/19 at 10:11:14:
Eegore wrote on 02/01/19 at 06:36:19:

 Don't you remember those couple of inaccurate readings from the thousands upon thousands of global temperature readings over years?  

Would that be like the ‘Weather Station’, that has been in the same spot since I was a kid.
Which then, (was near a major tar toad for ease of access), was basically surrounded but nothing but farm fields.
And today, it is surrounded by, houses, tarred roads, office buildings.
(And of Course, that is the ONLY ONE, in the world, that is like that)
Would that be, one, of the places where readings are gathered, to form the theory that the, ’sky is falling’ ?
Would that be so the self proclaimed inventor of the WWW, can sell TOXIC, CFL light bulbs ?
Would that be so some, ‘scientists’ can get huge Grants, to study GW, because they, ’say’, they believe ?

But hey, perfectly OK, for someone to sell more garden hose,
because eds’s back yard grass is dried up.
But wait !  
Is that socialistic, or capitalistic ?

Or is it just like, one can not, ‘Discipline’, spank their kid after they are born.
Yet  KILL  them, before they are born.


Um, does anyone understand what this post is trying to say?...
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Reply #5 - 02/01/19 at 11:54:58
 
T And T Garage wrote on 02/01/19 at 10:12:58:
MnSpring wrote on 02/01/19 at 10:11:14:
Eegore wrote on 02/01/19 at 06:36:19:

 Don't you remember those couple of inaccurate readings from the thousands upon thousands of global temperature readings over years?  

Would that be like the ‘Weather Station’, that has been in the same spot since I was a kid.
Which then, (was near a major tar toad for ease of access), was basically surrounded but nothing but farm fields.
And today, it is surrounded by, houses, tarred roads, office buildings.
(And of Course, that is the ONLY ONE, in the world, that is like that)
Would that be, one, of the places where readings are gathered, to form the theory that the, ’sky is falling’ ?
Would that be so the self proclaimed inventor of the WWW, can sell TOXIC, CFL light bulbs ?
Would that be so some, ‘scientists’ can get huge Grants, to study GW, because they, ’say’, they believe ?

But hey, perfectly OK, for someone to sell more garden hose,
because eds’s back yard grass is dried up.
But wait !  
Is that socialistic, or capitalistic ?

Or is it just like, one can not, ‘Discipline’, spank their kid after they are born.
Yet  KILL  them, before they are born.


Um, does anyone understand what this post is trying to say?...

Yes, but for you to understand would require you to leave your safe place.
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Reply #6 - 02/01/19 at 12:02:27
 
verslagen1 wrote on 02/01/19 at 11:54:58:
Yes, but for you to understand would require you to leave your safe place.



OK vers - then please put it in language that I can understand.

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Reply #7 - 02/01/19 at 16:16:45
 
"Or is it just like, one can not, ‘Discipline’, spank their kid after they are born.
Yet  KILL  them, before they are born.
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 No.  Data driven analysis that shows, describes, accounts for and acknowledges incorrect inputs is not just like you described above.
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Reply #8 - 02/01/19 at 16:43:10
 
T And T Garage wrote on 02/01/19 at 10:12:58:
Um, does anyone understand what this post is trying to say?...


Yes, Mn is taking the original point and saying the exact opposite. I have shown that in spite of blips that the overall trend is undiminished. However Mn is trying to imply that global warming measurements are taking by local people with thermometers and if they leave their thermometer near their cup of tea the temp could be wrong. Because an aunt of mine turned all the heating off because her thermometer broke and she died of hypothermia.

You see the thing is that Mn does not understand the difference between a town and the entire Earth, (hint: that's why it's called 'global' warming)

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Reply #9 - 02/03/19 at 12:43:04
 
eau de sauvage wrote on 02/01/19 at 16:43:10:
You see the thing is that Mn does not understand the difference between a town and the entire Earth, (hint: that's why it's called 'global' warming)

So wonderful to know,
that a person from ‘Down Under’,
has a opinion that their is ONLY  ONE,
‘Weather Station’, that weather data is collected from,
In the WHOLE WORLD,
that civilization has encroached on.

And that their is NO, possibility,
for a whole bunch of Weather Stations,
around the WORLD,
giving a reading which is different than before,
because of the fact
that the Weather Stations surroundings,
have dramatically changed.

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Reply #10 - 02/03/19 at 14:33:00
 
Reminds me of the story of several "weather stations" run by a group of volunteers. In the group there was one that was getting constant high temps and other weird readings. They asked the guy who was running it what was different. He said he did not like the white color that the instruments enclosure was painted in, it clashed with his backyard. So he painted the box green. Tongue
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Reply #11 - 02/03/19 at 18:31:09
 
Since satellites are being used to track the thermal changes and infrared signatures of the earth along with temperature buoys in the oceans  I would think the "Green Paint" theory of global warming really doesn't stand up to close inspection. There's a science called climatology (look it up) where intelligent well educated people actually study how humanity have affected our earth's weather. Even pre satellite climatology was a well studied science, the only change from then to now is that the data has become more accurate. We aren't stewards of the earth, we rape our mother earth for profit and pleasure and deny the damage we cause.
 Oh wait a minute, it's all because of Al Gore trying to destroy the fossil fuel  industries and push his liberal beliefs onto the USA. <sarcasm for those lost souls who follow the orange turd or his fake new station> Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #12 - 02/03/19 at 18:39:47
 
"Since satellites are being used to track the thermal changes and infrared signatures of the earth along with temperature buoys in the oceans  I would think the "Green Paint" theory of global warming really doesn't stand up to close inspection."

 But observed reality indicates otherwise.  Climate change can't be trusted because some of the thermometers are incorrect in some people's backyards.  Didn't you know this?

 Also money can be made off of climatology, so since the potential for profit exists it can't be trusted.  Anything that makes money is suspect, didn't you know this?
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Reply #13 - 02/03/19 at 18:44:38
 
Climate change can't be trusted because some of the thermometers are incorrect in some people's backyards.

Ok I get it . you are being sarcastic about the back yard thermometers, real good one, you had me thinking you actually believed in that statement LOL
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Reply #14 - 02/03/19 at 18:54:28
 

 I just find it interesting that because some content surrounding climate change are suspect, like profiting by scare tactics, or some incorrect thermometer readings (which are not hidden) means ALL climate change information is wrong.

 Those same tactics are used in reverse on other topics like firearm ownership.

 A guy shoots up a bar let's look at the numbers of criminal acts compared to safe-use and be sensible.  

 But if a few thermometers are wrong then lets not compare the numbers to verifiable correct thermometers.  Its more sensible in this case to scrap every reading ever based off some green paint.
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