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Re: Sportster Savage Comparisons
Reply #30 - 03/03/20 at 19:49:01
 
I've got the Sportster on my computer .   Its got the 4" over forks on it and the mini ape-hangers .   I also put the higher geared front primary off a 1200 into my 883 .   It was geared to run 140 mph if the down hill was long enough and the tail wind strong enough.  Grin
It did bump along the Super-Slab at 75mph really nice .   The taller front end raised the foot pegs up enough that it corned better than a stock Sportster.  Smiley
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Reply #31 - 03/04/20 at 06:14:03
 
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I forgot to ask, does your sporty have mids or forwards?


Mids.

Oem style bars. Mustang solo seat. The seat is about the same size and shape as the OEM solo but the foam was pretty much shot in the original so I replaced it.

The mid pegs are OK for me, but I'm short. Anyone tall might find the seat peg distance a little cramped and prefer forwards.
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Reply #32 - 03/10/20 at 09:54:45
 
One big thing about the Sportser 1200 is that the seat height is 29.5 inches while the savage 650 is 27.2 inches.  

Also, the difficulty of checking oil with the dry sump and oil tank on the right side of the bike is a real drawback...I think that is needed because the engine is too tall for a crankcase and thus has a dry sump.  

Finally, the Savage can get away with the air-cooled engine, while some Harley Vtwins tend to overheat at stop lights.

You may suspect that I don't care for Harleys.
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Reply #33 - 03/10/20 at 10:22:28
 
Ive never ridden one, only sat on one. But i spend an unfortunate ammount of time at stoplights living in chicago. May I ask why the dry sump makes it difficult to check the oil? Ive never heard of that before (i actually just googled the difference between wet and dry sump to understand what you meant)
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Reply #34 - 03/10/20 at 18:03:26
 
pg wrote on 03/03/20 at 16:20:10:
Does it vibrate?  I remember reading the V-Star 950 would vibrate pretty good as it approached 70 mph.

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Sorry missed this question - but really not much more than a savage or any other jap V twin for that matter. The V star 950 vibrated a lot ? That's odd, in fact the bolt has a upper cyl motor mount bracket they left out that is present on the 950 V star. Its got holes in the frame, holes in the head, and no bracket. There is some people who have bought the Vstar bracket and cut off a couple ears that aren't in use in the bolt and bolt the bracket in. Weird, a missing or loose motor mount = major vibes. Well apparently not on this bike LOL.
The worst thing in that regard is the clunk at shift especially into first from N 1st and 2nd from 1st - apparently they wanted it to be clunky … grrrrr. The worst feature of it though is that the FI runs open loop after 2500 rpm - hate that.

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Reply #35 - 03/11/20 at 00:51:44
 
Srinath, thank you for your comments about the Bolt, I've toyed with the idea of getting one, but as far as I can see, the only advantage over the S40/Savage, higher top speed, grossly illegal where I live, and more grunt for overtaking.
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Reply #36 - 03/11/20 at 04:27:04
 
d3adrock wrote on 03/10/20 at 10:22:28:
Ive never ridden one, only sat on one. But i spend an unfortunate ammount of time at stoplights living in chicago. May I ask why the dry sump makes it difficult to check the oil? Ive never heard of that before (i actually just googled the difference between wet and dry sump to understand what you meant)


It doesn't. Sportsters have an oil tank just behind and below the back of the seat on the right side of the bike. The cap on the tank has a dipstick built into it. With the bike on the sidestand take off the cap and look at the stick. Just like a car. No trying to hold the bike vertical while getting down on your knees to peer in a little window with your chin 10 inches off the ground.

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Reply #37 - 03/11/20 at 04:28:48
 
The V star 950 vibrated a lot ?

That's what I remember reading, there was a lot about it that I liked.  They said as you approach 70 it became very noticeable.  I was looking to do some moderate touring and I ended up passing on it.  I bought a V-Strom 650 a couple years later and that is a phenomenal motorcycle.

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Reply #38 - 03/11/20 at 06:03:16
 
pg wrote on 03/11/20 at 04:28:48:
The V star 950 vibrated a lot ?

That's what I remember reading, there was a lot about it that I liked.  They said as you approach 70 it became very noticeable.  I was looking to do some moderate touring and I ended up passing on it.  I bought a V-Strom 650 a couple years later and that is a phenomenal motorcycle.

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I have heard the 650 V star pretty much loses much of its grunt at highway speeds. The 950 - maybe … its only 47 hp but that 950 carry an extra 100 lb. The bolt has been specifically made to be a heavy duty overbuilt in some kind of clunky and unrefined way. Sort of like a soviet era motorcycle, its almost like, you want an air filter huh, lets slap it where it will clock your knee, you want a gauge, lets make this unseeable crap and slap it behind the triple clamp where it will get in the way of you filling gas etc etc that'll teach you to ask for sheiite. The SCR is even worse, the seat hoop and the seat and the whole thing was just painful. They gave bolts to 15 or so custom builders and took the best features of that they did and built the SCR, and turned a bike they could not keep in stock @8K into a bike they could not give away at 4k. In fact a few of the 17's in summer of 2019 went for $2999 from a dealer in Missouri. I bought mine @ 4500 in summer 2018 but it was at a dealer 100 miles away, not 1000 miles.

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Reply #39 - 03/11/20 at 06:33:52
 
BTW the one thing that Yamaha got absolutely spot on for all the 950 motors and even the 1700 and those raiders etc is that belt drive. The 650 and 1100 Vstar had that retarded exposed shaft, that thing will leak, rust and lead to a lot of crap from owners. They went to belt and just freaking nailed it.
The second thing is - and this is specific to the SCR, aluminum rims, spoked wheels and they sold these rims as an "accessory" to the bolt for 3 yrs for almost 3K before it got "standard" on the SCR. Rear is a 17 and 19 front with trail tires that literally wear like freaking iron, but its a 17", 150 wide tires are available to suit every mood you can have with those. They could have fit a 17" up front too, and I might use one of the GR rims I got lying about and lace it if I ever get the skills to do it, but till then I'm happy with these tires that don't seem to wear, and they grip well due to their massive teeth tread pattern, even in rain, they're very good.
The best part - I bought a set of bolt wheels for $150 - direct bolt on, have 15 and 19 cast wheels with a choice of cruiser tires, so if I want to, I can swap entire wheel sets day to day. I used to do that for the GS500, but was more of a wheel loaner service when one of my local custo-friends was going to put tires on his bike, I'd loan out wheels and get their wheels in exchange, usually I'll be doing both the wheel swap as well as taking the thing to the bike shop to fit tires, I made some $$ on the side.

But the whole wheel swap idea is very very cool and appealing to me.

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Reply #40 - 03/18/20 at 17:00:29
 
Since I think theres been a pretty good response to this, let me ask one more clarifying question. Between the sportser and the savage, which one do you think would do better off-road, in muck, in rain, in sand ect. I know neither one is good for it, and neither one is truly capable of it. But to the extent that each one can, if you had to choose, which would be better?
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Reply #41 - 03/18/20 at 17:41:20
 
Neither one, stock. But the Savage starts out 150 pounds lighter than the Sporty, and can be made 200 pounds less without an insane amount of money. Jesus Christ on a bet couldn't make a Sportster in the low 300's.
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Reply #42 - 03/18/20 at 17:51:17
 
Armen wrote on 03/18/20 at 17:41:20:
Neither one, stock. But the Savage starts out 150 pounds lighter than the Sporty, and can be made 200 pounds less without an insane amount of money. Jesus Christ on a bet couldn't make a Sportster in the low 300's.



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Reply #43 - 03/18/20 at 17:54:49
 
Thank you for that. I've seen and am a big fan of the frijole. Perhaps my question wasnt as clear as it could have been. I meant if forced to choose between both vehicles stock, which would you take and why?
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Reply #44 - 03/19/20 at 02:11:32
 
d3adrock wrote on 03/18/20 at 17:54:49:
Thank you for that. I've seen and am a big fan of the frijole. Perhaps my question wasnt as clear as it could have been. I meant if forced to choose between both vehicles stock, which would you take and why?


The savage.  But, I have never owned a sportster.

I own 2 "stock" savages.  By stock I mean they have not been setup for dirt in any way.  Street tires, stock fenders, stock suspension.
I go off pavement quite often.  I don't say "off road", as where I go is still intended for vehicle traffic.. even if they mean only 4x4 trucks.

The Savage is light, as has already been pointed out.  
However, it also has a short wheel base.  That makes it easier to turn around when the road just isn't there anymore.  (Paved, gravel, dirt, 2 tracks for tires, goat path, rancher with shot gun.. darn.  Been there, done that.).

This picture was taken while I was on a TWT (Two Wheel Texans) ride.  They do "adventure" riding for the most part, and are always amused when I decide to tag along.  Most of my "dirt" pictures are just of the bike, as I usually ride alone.

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