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Reply #15 - 04/05/20 at 00:53:58

Trump has already said he takes 'no responsibility at all'. What a guy, what a prez.

This does look like a monumental c.ock up to be sure...

A week after the genetic sequence for the novel coronavirus first became available in January, German researchers had designed a PCR test that could detect the virus in a patient sample. That test became the basis for the World Health Organization’s (WHO) test used in countries around the world, including South Korea, but which the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) declined to use. PCR tests are, in theory, fairly simple to create: scientists pick snippets of the virus’s gene and use a series of chemicals to look for that gene snippet in the sample. If they find the snippet, it means the patient has the virus.

South Korea, for example, quickly started testing around 10,000 people each day for the virus.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/17/21184015/coronavirus-testing-pcr-diagnosti...

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: What is the explanation for the US toll? Reply #16 - 04/05/20 at 01:25:06 More lies.. I debunked that crock ofshitt already. Aaaaand, as a rabid lefty, you ignored it.
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eau de sauvage Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2565 Queensland Gender:	Re: What is the explanation for the US toll? Reply #17 - 04/05/20 at 01:41:35 You're like a mini Trump, you call anything 'lies'. And what precisely did you "debunk".
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: What is the explanation for the US toll? Reply #18 - 04/05/20 at 02:52:45 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) declined to use..
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eau de sauvage Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2565 Queensland Gender:	Re: What is the explanation for the US toll? Reply #19 - 04/05/20 at 03:17:25 where's the link to your 'debunking'
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: What is the explanation for the US toll? Reply #20 - 04/05/20 at 04:51:04 That was some time ago I'm sure you read it. We weren't offered tests. But nothing matters to you. You won't even acknowledge what Fauci said.
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eau de sauvage Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 2565 Queensland Gender:	Re: What is the explanation for the US toll? Reply #21 - 04/05/20 at 05:03:57 Trump was contradicting those in charge way back in early march. btw, you need to check that fauci thread because it was answered. https://youtu.be/c09m5f7Gnic?t=718
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Reply #22 - 04/05/20 at 05:22:57

South Korea and the US both had their first confirmed case on the same date. The US knew about the virus in 2019. South Korea began massive testing whereas the US was at least two months too late and unless you can come up a plausible alternative reason why the US is now the epicentre of the disease and South Korea has already levelled off while the US is nowhere near it's peak, then you have to attribute this to the two months wasted.

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Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Reply #23 - 04/05/20 at 05:25:46

eau de sauvage wrote on 04/04/20 at 17:25:17:

@WM,

It's the curve that gives the trend. Specifically the slope of the curve, the steeper the slope the faster the acceleration. The US has been showing consistently the steepest curve, and this can only be attributed to the large seed population caused by a delay in taking it seriously for a few weeks.

This is normal for Trump to say something then backtrack because he's only looking at the current news cycle. He's used to controlling the news cycle so if he says bs then he knows he can bury it the next day.

It's just unfortunate for him that and the US that something popped up that controls the news cycle whatever Trump does.

What is important to note in the graph below which starts each country from their first case, is what is happening around day 20. That's about when other countries who took it more seriously earlier and Trump was blowing it off. What you are seeing now is a result of decisions made then. There is a two to three week lag.

Spain and Italy are having a tough time now after taking it more seriously, so it's no wonder that the US curve is steeper than theirs now.

TL ; DR Look at the slope of the curve. It's not that the US has the most casualties, it's that they have the steepest slope, and that's why they have the most cases now.

https://i.postimg.cc/yDjXq22f/21112.jpg

No. You lied. LIED. You just posted detailed analysis about curves and Day this and day that as a way to avoid what you said originally which was:
There is no other explanation as to why every other country is beginning to level off whereas the US is still accelerating.
That was not even remotely true and was a purposeful lie to continue your single minded purpose of blaming Trump for everything under the sun.

As a retort to me pointing out the obvious fact you lied, you’d like say if Trump killed someone in the middle of Time Square, I wouldn’t convict him. Maybe I wouldn’t, but it wouldn’t be because I refused to acknowledge he killed someone, it would be because I think he’s still a better option than the alternative. If Trump cured cancer however, you’d die and take millions with you rather than acknowledge he did it. And therein lies the difference between my eyes wide open and your TDS blindness.

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Reply #24 - 04/05/20 at 13:57:07

@WM

Now you've reverted to what is known colloquially as the JoG Technique, where you shout out 'You Lie' as a sort of general purpose non sequitur.

I posted the charts for all the major countries counting the days from their first case. The US curve began to steepen significantly. How the fcuk is that a 'lie'. It's just a fact, that is looking for an explanation.

I explain it by the wasted two months not readying a test, if you have a different theory as to what is the cause, then either put up or shut up.

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Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Reply #25 - 04/05/20 at 15:35:37

Coming from a trip to Asia, Europe and back to the US moving some major players in this issue I'd say Trump could have said he wanted all borders closed, and a quadrillion tests made immediately and there would still have been a major shortage.

A lot of what is going on from a contamination/contagion protocol has nothing to do with the POTUS, even though it looks that way on TV.

This topic is no different than the Fauci one. Anyone can dig up articles and use them to blame the people they don't like, and defend the one's they do.

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Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Reply #26 - 04/05/20 at 15:54:47

eau de sauvage wrote on 04/05/20 at 13:57:07:

@WM

Now you've reverted to what is known colloquially as the JoG Technique, where you shout out 'You Lie' as a sort of general purpose non sequitur.

I posted the charts for all the major countries counting the days from their first case. The US curve began to steepen significantly. How the fcuk is that a 'lie'. It's just a fact, that is looking for an explanation.

I explain it by the wasted two months not readying a test, if you have a different theory as to what is the cause, then either put up or shut up.

I posted the charts for all the major countries counting the days from their first case. The US curve began to steepen significantly

That's not what you said. You said:
There is no other explanation as to why every other country is beginning to level off whereas the US is still accelerating.

I'm pointing out that's not true. Every country is not beginning to level off. Where did you get that information?

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Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Reply #27 - 04/05/20 at 16:04:18

eau de sauvage wrote on 04/05/20 at 00:53:58:

Trump has already said he takes 'no responsibility at all'. What a guy, what a prez.

Thank god he said that - I was beginning to think he released a virus going round the world killing people. If only he would name the virus after who ever released it that would help.

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Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Reply #28 - 04/05/20 at 16:24:50

@WM, The steeper the curve, the faster the acceleration, what explanation do you have for the US having by far the steepest curve, meaning the fastest acceleration, if not for the appalling delay, in testing for the virus, which was cause by not having a test even though the genetic material was available in 2019 and South Korea was testing 10's of thousands at least a month before.

@srinath, yes, Trump did not cause the epidemic but he did cause the lackadaisical response that has now resulted in the US having a faster acceleration by far than all the other nations who actually had their tests ready.

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Re: What is the explanation for the US toll?
Reply #29 - 04/05/20 at 17:09:42

eau de sauvage wrote on 04/05/20 at 16:24:50:

[b]@srinath, yes, Trump did not cause the epidemic but he did cause the lackadaisical response that has now resulted in the US having a faster acceleration by far than all the other nations who actually had their tests ready.

Aaaah ... we should have thrown more $$$$$ at the china virus more faster. I get it. Brilliant, and then we should reward china by handing over our economy and everything else too.

Really the at the first instance of the china virus, I am blaming Trump for not nuking China to prevent contagion. Really how sad is it now, 1000's dead in the US. 1 Nuke on Jan 1 would have prevented all of this.

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