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Re: Wiseco Flat Top Piston - Installation & Test
Reply #120 - 08/20/22 at 18:09:41
 
The front was worse.  I really shouldn’t have been riding on these old tires.
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Reply #121 - 08/20/22 at 18:10:23
 
The front brake rotor had reached the wear limit (4mm or .16”).  I was gonna be busy.  Man, that’s one ugly fork leg.  Cosmetic issue, not a concern.
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Reply #122 - 08/20/22 at 18:12:08
 
Regarding the engine, the 94mm flat-top now had 10,000 miles on it (actually 12,250 miles if you consider the 2250 miles I logged on the first build).  It was running well.  Power was great, vibration normal, temperatures normal (180 oil/280 CHT), oil pressure normal (7psi @ 4000 rpm with 200°F oil temp), fuel economy excellent, and oil consumption the same (about 8 ounces every 1100 miles).
 
But noise levels were up significantly, and the clutch was getting real grabby and unpredictable.

At around 8500 miles, it started rattling.  I thought it might be developing some piston slap.  After all, the cylinder had been honed several times for various projects, and I lean toward the loose side on forged pistons.  But by the 10,000-mile mark that sucker was making a loud metallic rattle.  The rattle was most pronounced when I throttled up in neutral.  This was more than just some minor piston slap.  I needed to address the noise immediately.  This YouTube vid tells the story.

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The clutch noise (squeal) I reported at the 7000-mile inspection was now louder.  And as I mentioned, the clutch was starting to get grabby and unpredictable.  I could live with it, but the average bear wouldn’t like the lack of a smooth progressive engagement.  Time to take a look.
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Reply #123 - 08/20/22 at 18:14:13
 
First order of business was a compression check.  I was so focused on the loud metallic rattle that I wasn’t thinking straight.  I had just pulled into the garage from a long ride.  The engine was hot.  I pulled off the seat and the fuel tank, removed the spark plug, installed the compression gage, and did the test.  The thumper pumped a dismal 105 psi.
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Seriously, 105 psi?  Try again, 105 psi.  Again, 105 psi.  Huh?  Again, 105 psi.

I was anxious and getting all worked up.  Calm down Mike.  There must be a good explanation for this dismal squeeze.  Put on your big boy pants and get your head straightened out.  Eureka!  You know better than to do a compression check with the throttle closed.   Open the throttle all the way when you check compression, it makes a BIG difference.

OK.  It pumped 215 psi.  Still a concern.  I lost 30 pounds of squeeze since the 7000-mile service. No need to panic.  It’s runnin superb, so I figure this is an anomaly.  We shall see how things shake out.  Focus on the noise.  The two may be related.
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Reply #124 - 08/20/22 at 18:14:57
 
The spark plug looked the same.  Nothing to be concerned over, but I would prefer a cleaner plug.  I run unleaded fuel.  These deposits don’t seem normal to me, but my Savage has always had a dirty lookin plug, even when it was stock and super-lean.  Gap was about .034” to .035”.  I reset the gap to .031”.  This is a very old spark plug, but it works just fine so it’s goin back in.
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Reply #125 - 08/20/22 at 18:15:26
 
I dumped the oil while it was still good & hot.  Ouch!  I hate dumpin red hot oil.  The drain plug looked great.  No chunks, just magnetic sludge.  I guess the 5-speed can handle the flat-top piston’s power as long as you ride the thing like a normal biker.  I love my daily dose of acceleration, and nothin beats a little WOT 5th gear pass, but I’ve been more restrained than I was with the other bottom end.  It’s getting a good workout, just not continuously.  Things look solid.
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Reply #126 - 08/20/22 at 18:15:55
 
Valve clearance was still .005” intakes and .006” exhausts.  The Cagiva valve adjusters are working really good, and the valve train does not appear to be wearing.  Based on the study I recently did on the effect of valve lash on valve closing velocity, I reset all the valves to .003”.  Let’s take it easy on those valves, place them on the seat gently, respect those heavy RD springs.
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Reply #127 - 08/20/22 at 18:16:45
 
Time to pop off the clutch cover and check the cam chain adjuster, clutch, and primary drive.  What could be causing that loud metallic rattle.

The cam chain adjuster was at 13.5mm extension.  Same polished area on the plunger.  This thing will need attention every service.  It’s not the source of my noise, and it’s not extended enough to cause concern over valve control, but by the next 3500-mile service it will be.  Easy enough to adjust.  I turned my jack-bolt in 1.5 turns to bring the extension right back to 12mm.  I’m not a fan of this thing stroking in & out as the engine rotates, but it’s not causing any problems, and the jack-bolt makes it super-easy to adjust.  I’ll keep it.
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Reply #128 - 08/20/22 at 18:17:22
 
I didn’t find anything of concern in the clutch.  One of the seven fiber plates had a little bit of grooving in the friction material.  The other six plates looked brand new.  They were all .115” thick, right up to factory fresh spec.
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Reply #129 - 08/20/22 at 18:17:57
 
The steel plates all looked great.
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Reply #130 - 08/20/22 at 18:18:32
 
The clutch basket looked good to me.  It wasn’t loose on the input shaft spacer.  The bronze bushing had no visual indication of distress or wear.  It wasn’t pinched between the input shaft thrust washers, and the thrust faces were smooth.  No unusual wear or notching on the tangs.
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Reply #131 - 08/20/22 at 18:19:07
 
The cushion springs in the clutch basket drive looked fine.  None broken or missing.
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Reply #132 - 08/20/22 at 18:19:45
 
The clutch hub flange was smooth, and the nut was good and tight.  Nothing here to explain the grabby engagement or the squealing noise.
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Reply #133 - 08/20/22 at 18:20:26
 
Same for the pressure disk.  Flange smooth, nothing unusual.
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Reply #134 - 08/20/22 at 18:21:03
 
The input shaft spacer and thrust washers had a little fretting or scoring.  The hub nut was tight when I disassembled the clutch, and the basket turned smooth as silk on the input shaft spacer.  Could the sleeve and/or washers be turning with the basket?  I guess it’s conceivable that I might need a little more thrust clearance, but it would be tricky to add a few more thousandths of an inch.   I guess I could try a stepped washer, or possibly manufacture a slightly longer spacer.
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