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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: A tragic story. Unique or common? Reply #60 - 02/22/23 at 18:07:31 Should've shipped them to a sanctuary city. Coff Coff
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Reply #61 - 02/22/23 at 20:08:34

Serowbot wrote on 02/22/23 at 15:25:43:

WebsterMark wrote on 02/22/23 at 13:23:04:

Are you seriously trying to call bussing ILLEGAL ALIENS to liberal cities who love to claim they’re sanctuary cities but only said that because they never thought they’d have to deliver.

Republican governors are behaving in a manner similar to the human traffickers they excoriate. The United Nations defines human trafficking as “the recruitment, transportation, transfer, harboring or receipt of people through force, fraud or deception, with the aim of exploiting them for profit.” 

Abbott, DeSantis and Ducey insist that asylum seekers are boarding buses and planes voluntarily. Given the migrants’ fear of imminent deportation, that assertion is implausible. Some of those who landed on Martha’s Vineyard said they were duped by promises of “expedited work papers.” Others had no idea where they were going.

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous, Beyond pathetic.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9102	Re: A tragic story. Unique or common? Reply #62 - 02/22/23 at 20:52:11 I do think they used deception to get some, not all, of the people onto some of the planes and buses. It's a great idea, but is it human trafficking? It could be depending on your definition of trafficking. Deception would be the defining term. Complaining is not a factor.
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5274 In Transit	Re: A tragic story. Unique or common? Reply #63 - 02/23/23 at 02:53:04 DeSantis disputed the migrants did not know where they were going, because he said they had signed a waiver and had been provided with a packet including a map of Martha’s Vineyard adding, “It’s obvious that’s where they were going,” and it was all “voluntary.” Best regards,
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Reply #64 - 02/23/23 at 03:01:33

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What have you got to say, Mr. Illegal Alien, in America illegally?

That bad man Tricked Me !!! I got put on a plane and sent to a place that ADVERTISES their Desire for me and people like me to come THERE and be shown support !! How Dare He!!

You people are suffering from some kinda self imposed idiocy.

THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.
Shipping them to a sanctuary city is somehow human trafficking? What ridiculum!!

Two plus two defeats your intellect.

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Reply #65 - 02/23/23 at 03:43:40

DeSantis disputed the migrants did not know where they were going, because he said they had signed a waiver and had been provided with a packet including a map of Martha’s Vineyard adding, “It’s obvious that’s where they were going,” and it was all “voluntary.”

I'm sure this happened. I also think some could have been misled.

"They arrived here, were processed through federal immigration and then were approached by individuals who were purporting to offer help, saying they could fly them to Boston, to the East Coast, would help them with work opportunities, with education for their children," he said. "It turns out it was all just a political stunt."

Villazana and Mora did not know the flights were headed to Martha’s Vineyard, they said. Villazana thought they were going to Boston, he said.

Who knows what really happened with each human transported. Third party contractors were used to get volunteers for the Martha's Vineyard transport so it is completely plausible, to me, that any of those paid contractors could have utilized duplicitous methods to get a human onboard. I however have the ability to say I do not know for sure either way, instead of procaliming my opinion as fact.

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Reply #66 - 02/23/23 at 03:47:35

"THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY.
Shipping them to a sanctuary city is somehow human trafficking? What ridiculum!!"

It depends on how you define human trafficking. If one says the transport of a human through misleading or duplicitous means is the only criteria, then yes, any human transported with that parameter is part of human trafficking.

In this case agreeing or disagreeing with transporting illegal immigrants to "sanctuary" locations is irrelevant as the definition of the words "human" and "trafficking" when combined, is what is being assessed.

Of course many people choose to let emotions prohibit their ability to conduct an adult conversation, so if one is opposed to sanctuary city transports, then it is human trafficking, but if one is NOT opposed to sanctuary city transports then it is not human trafficking.

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Reply #67 - 02/23/23 at 04:54:58

Our friend Sew is a good little liberal servant backed into the position of repeating ridiculous claims like this. He doesn’t really believe this is comparable to actual human trafficking so perhaps I was being too harsh. But I just spent 4 days in liberal, progressive dominated Austin TX and like I said, what a $hit show downtown by the convention center. Dozens, perhaps a hundred men and women completely ruined their lives and progressive politicians are silently encouraging this out of some warped sense of compassion.

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Reply #68 - 02/23/23 at 07:07:38

It depends on how you define human trafficking

Pretty much true for EVERYTHING..
I'm going with what isn't dumbernschitt..

Sexual predators engage in trafficking.

People who Broke the law came to America
To a place where they WERE NOT WANTED
Someone gave them transportation to a place that

ADVERTISED PUBLICLY THAT THEY LOVE THE ILLEGALS

And somehow That person is Bad?

Fuuk,,

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Reply #69 - 02/23/23 at 07:10:15

You keep referring to these people as "illegal" aliens... they were applying for legal citizenship and had appointments (mostly in areas intentionally scheduled far from where they were sent). It is their right to apply.
They were not trying to break the law,... in spite of Abbott and DeSantis making it as hard as possible.
Their crime is being brown.

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Reply #70 - 02/23/23 at 08:05:17

Serowbot wrote on 02/23/23 at 07:10:15:

"You keep referring to these people as "illegal" aliens... "

They ARE !

"...they were applying for legal citizenship
and had appointments ..."

A TEENY TINNY Minuscule amount did.

"... They were not trying to break the law,... "

Yes they are !!!

"...in spite of Abbott and DeSantis making it as hard as possible..."

Nop, they just GAVE the opportunity for the UL, DFI, FDS, Socialists, to $hit or get off the pot.

"...Their crime is being brown..."

Not even remotaly close !

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Reply #71 - 02/23/23 at 09:57:47

Serowbot wrote on 02/23/23 at 07:10:15:

You keep referring to these people as "illegal" aliens... they were applying for legal citizenship and had appointments (mostly in areas intentionally scheduled far from where they were sent). It is their right to apply.
They were not trying to break the law,... in spite of Abbott and DeSantis making it as hard as possible.
Their crime is being brown.

What a f’ing insult to the ones who follow the rules instead of streaming across with hundreds, no thousands, no tens of thousands, no hundreds of thousands others …..

And playing the old brown card again huh?

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Reply #72 - 02/23/23 at 13:49:11

GoodGod,Row,, really? If they CROSS THE RIVER instead of Going through the proper process of applying, they know, everyone who isn't stupid knows, I know I know, they are Breaking the LAW. If they wanted to apply, there is a way to do that, PRIOR to ILLEGALLY entering.
And what is wrong with sending someone to a publicly proclaimed, welcoming city? They advertise their love for the illegals but sending them some to love is wrong?
Fuuuk.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 29287 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: A tragic story. Unique or common? Reply #73 - 02/24/23 at 07:30:25 So,... tRump's plan to increase staff and speed up processing for border immigration was a good plan? Too bad he didn't have one... He just wanted a wall....
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: A tragic story. Unique or common? Reply #74 - 02/24/23 at 07:56:30 What makes you think more immigrants is good for America? Never mind You still don't understand that what biden did to the petroleum industry was bad.
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